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I am sure that I am posting this to annoy Anna, our resident female sceptic. Irritating people is a hobby of mine. However, it might prove educational and even she may see the logic to it. It is how I believe psychic ability works. I bet even Randi would accept this explanation.

I am afraid that many people do not understand psychic ability. If I knew everything I could predict the Lotto. However that is NOT what psychic ability is for and is not the way it works. I have suggested in the past that sceptics define what they mean by "psychic". They never seem to be able to do so.

My definition is a trifle less spectacular and ludicrous than other psychic people. I would merely call it heightened intuition. When you do this kind of work you become very sharp indeed. The psychic stuff happens at a deep subconcious level and there is nothing whatever mysterious about it. We all have it but naturally someone who does it all the time has sharpened skills. I believe I know why it works too.

If someone sits down in front of me I know all about them within seconds without them saying a word. In fact I prefer them not to speak since I like the sound of my own voice and I know perfectly well if they start yapping to me I will never get rid of them.

Now how do I do this? I sense things. And 70% of the time I am correct. You can't expect 100%. This is not an exact science like mathematics.

And how do I sense things? At first I was not entirely sure but now I believe I know what is going on. It is all perfectly simple.

Things happen at a subliminal level. Let us assume someone comes into me ten years previously. That person has marital problems. They have a relative who is ill. They also have money problems. They work say in the legal profession.

In the reading they will manifest certain signs and behaviours. I will have no idea what they are. And it is a very hard thing to explain. It is more than body language although no doubt that is part of it. They will have a certain look and there will be a certain feel for the situation.

Over the next 10 years the psychic will see hundreds of different clients but they will all have variations of the same problems. In actual fact there are very few scenarios. Most people come because of love problems and there are only a few situations that come up all the time. Same with money. Health issues and work issues. There are probably no more than about 20 or so different scenarios that come up all the time. I haven't counted them but that is my estimate.

Now here is the interesting thing. Each person will manifest the same signs, micro expressions and body language that people in similar situations will do. Again and again and again. The psychic doesn't have to study these indications. Indeed most psychics may not even be aware of them. However they will pick them up subliminally and not even know that they are doing so.

So ten years later a similar client to the one the psychic saw 10 years ago comes in with an identical set of problems. Or at least some of the same problems. He or she will also give off the same indications that someone did 10 years ago. Psychics who are not as brilliant as myself will delude themselves that because they know the chap is a lawyer, has marital problems and money troubles they will assume that God has given them great and wondrous powers that are not available to the rest of humanity.

They do not realise why they know what they know. I believe that through having done thousands upon thousands of readings they are picking up on subliminal signs that are the same every time. So they call themselves psychic.

I do believe 100% in the Tarot cards. Not because I believe they have certain supernatural powers embedded in them. I do not believe in Jung's theory of synchronicity even if I knew what the hell it was. I believe that the cards come up at random. However for very logical reasons which I do not have the energy to explain they WILL help the psychic to tune in to the client's life. They simply help the intuition process that I have already explained.

I can always tell if a lawyer is sitting in front of me. It happens very rarely but when it does I always know it. I know when a journalist or nurse is sitting in front of me. I know when I have a businessman. I know when I have a cop coming in for a reading (much more common than you might think)

How do I know? Pure intuition and experience. Not psychic you may say? I don't care what you call it as long as the client pays. The sceptics don't pay my rent so their opinion doesn't really matter.

What I am talking about is nothing whatever to do with Sylvia Browne or the claptrap that TV mediums come out with. I am not into guessing games the way they are. I am not a psychic medium and I do not contact dead people.

I do know when a close friend or relative of my client has passed away because this certainly fits into the limited scenarios that comes up as I explained earlier. And I sense the signs of it even though I have never bothered to analyse what those signs are. I just know. However I never contact the person because I know perfectly well that I can't.

Many psychics are sincere people who unfortunately are hampered by belief. That is why they get some things right and some things wrong. Luckily for them most people forget the wrong things and concentrate on the right.

There are very few outright frauds in the psychic business except of course some of the TV mediums and the gypsy type psychics. However there are indeed gifted people who do not understand where their power comes from and consequently are prone to deluding themselves as to what is going on.

I must emphasise that I never try to analyse how people are reacting. I barely look at the client. I am concentrating on their palm or the tarot cards. I pick up their reactions at a subliminal level. It is interesting to note that the more tired I am the more accurate the readings are. That is because the logical analytical part of mind closes down and the "psychic" part (for want of a better word) sharpens up.

There. Now you know what it is all about. _________________________

Rebuttal:


So in essesence what you are saying seems to be - "I'm very good at judging people." If this is indeed what you are saying then you have no psychic ability whatsoever, you are just good at "reading" people and understanding their emotions.

I for example suffer from Aspergers syndrome, which means I am AWEFUL at reading body language and emotions; does this mean I am "anti-psychic"? No. It just means I am bad at reading body language; conversely you are simply good at reading body language.


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Here are a few short tests that would convince me of genuine psychic ability:

1. If you can tell the exact date someone was born just by looking at them, and get it right 70% or the time or more.

2. If you could predict the lottery.

3. If you could predict what was in a sealed envelope that was completely random and you had GENUINELY never seen or had any control over.

4. If you could tell the name of someones pet just by looking at them for the first time: you must get the whole name.
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My definition is a trifle less spectacular and ludicrous than other psychic people. I would merely call it heightened intuition.

This is a bad thing to do when claiming to be psychic, you are like the people who claim "God is energy", and then say they have found God inside a lump of coal.

In reality what you have done is to change the argument from, "I believe paranormal psychic ability exists" (this is what most people mean when they say psychic) to your completely different version of, "I am good at judging people."


I personally would not be surprised if you could tell what my father does for a living just by looking at him, but such a thing is not exactly hard to spot and has a perfectly rational explanation. For example if he was an army man then he MUST have shaved hair; if he has long hair therefore he cannot be an army man. His carrier is also indicated by his age, hight, build, strength, scars and so on... there are hundreds of thousands of tiny clues, but not a single one of them is paranormal or even very hard to spot.

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Now how do I do this? I sense things. And 70% of the time I am correct. You can't expect 100%.

I have a challenge for you. I have a webcam, a good quality one and am willing to have a long webcam session with you. I shall take a transcript of the entire session and we shall see just how much of it is:

A. Cold Reading - and can apply to everyone

B. Obvious - because I am a magician, 17, blonde etc.

C. Precise, exact and unique to me - something you could not possibly know.

D. Something that is MEANT to be Precise, Exact and Unique to me, but is INCORRECT.




As you can see, only one of these four categories (C) is of any impressive psychic ability. Category D is there because if you guess a hundred different things, several of them will be right. It will be interesting to see how many you get correct, and how many you get incorrect.


I am guessing you have never done such a study, but it will be interesting.

Currently there is £3059 in my Paypal account. I am willing to bet this against your psychic ability. You do not have to gamble anything yourself, and have nothing to loose.




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I suspect that no psychic will ever take my up on this offer, and I suspect that no psychic can even tell anything important about me that cannot be gained from appearance or voice; for example, how much would you be able to tell from a person if they were standing on the other side of a wall?




Tom
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EDIT:

No disrespect to you as a performer sir. I am sure you are far superior in talent than I am. I hope we can have this conversation civilly and like gentlemen

imagine this - many, many years ago, a lady became locally famous for being an empath...she also gave tarot readings...

she could walk into a room, and "just sense what people were thinking and feeling..."

in those times, the word psychic may well have been used about this lady...or, after an appropriate level of time, Mr. Ekman released his work on micro-muscle facial movements, and you can begin to see how, through lack of language and beliefs - as well as lack of science....that this lady would be labelled psychic...

when really she was just naturally good at reading people's facial expressions, however small...

to some degree, i believe with his holy psychic reverendness...the hollywood type definition of psychic is rubbish...and, to me, psychic can mean using your mental faculties to a very high degree...whether that is through training, or just unconcious training is a moot point...

psychic is definately not talking to the dead...that winds me up...thats mediumship...

the original argument on the other thread, was about whether this oik should have told the person that he was going to die...the only real moral answer is that they shouldnt...

there are exceptions, if the person talks about heavy drug use for example, mentioning that they are putting their life at risk is a fair and valid point...regardless of psychic rearing its almighty third-eyed head...

then that thread just degraded into its usual swampy mass of ego and im right and you're wrong tug-o-war style mass debate

what is dissapointing about reverend lewis' post is, is that he missed out on my one the other week asking people about their beliefs and he didnt say a word, nor prod anyone with his psychic stick...

you could see psychic ability as unconcious or subconcious learning...you learn by doing something, until it becomes "natural" and you dont have to think about it, you just "do"...

Eshly wrote:


Currently there is £3059 in my Paypal account.

Now now you're just showing off your Paypal balance.

I'm no psychic but I foresee problems looming.....

I see there is a child named Eshly jumping up and down in great and youthful irritation. I am far too grand and important to answer the silly young man in great detail. That is because I haven't read his post properly since I am far too busy and important to have done so. I shall merely say to him that God does not have to answer to us-we have to answer to him. And since I am Godlike in these matters naturally the same applies to me. I don't have to answer a rather silly 17 year old especially since he hasn't paid me any money.

From the little I have read of his post it seems that he is agreeing with every word I said in mine. Therefore I have no idea what the child is chattering about. I have no time to discuss it since I have clients to attend to.

Instead I shall let Reverend Browning answer him since he has more time on his hands that I do.

On closer inspection of the young man's post I see that he is requesting a reading from me. Naturally I will be delighted to give him one. My fee is a hundred pounds for an hour session. Naturally I will have to be paid in advance.

mark lewis wrote:I see there is a child named Eshly jumping up and down in great and youthful irritation. I am far too grand and important to answer the silly young man in great detail. That is because I haven't read his post properly since I am far too busy and important to have done so. I shall merely say to him that God does not have to answer to us-we have to answer to him. And since I am Godlike in these matters naturally the same applies to me. I don't have to answer a rather silly 17 year old especially since he hasn't paid me any money.

From the little I have read of his post it seems that he is agreeing with every word I said in mine. Therefore I have no idea what the child is chattering about. I have no time to discuss it since I have clients to attend to.

Instead I shall let Reverend Browning answer him since he has more time on his hands that I do.

I was going to stay out of this but that was funny.

mark lewis wrote:My fee is a hundred pounds for an hour session. Naturally I will have to be paid in advance.

And that sentence contains the wisdom of the ages - always get the money first!!

The sarcasm in the last few posts hurts my head, but what I believe you seem to be doing is this:


1. Not replying to any of the arguments and rebuttals I made at all, including the most import one: why you cannot define a word any way you wish.

and

2. Refusing to do a reading of any kind under any kind of conditions or testing.

3. You insist on money upfront.



... this says alot.

No Eshly, it says a lot about you and, once again, I find I have to lock a useful thread through inappropriate posts.