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Postby Jean » Apr 10th, '10, 11:22



In 1939 Russia made a silent agreement with Germany to attack Poland and divide the territory between them. The Russians attacked from the East 16 days after Germany attacked from the North South and West. Because of Russias undeclared act of war the Polish army was forced to retreat to Romania losing the conflict and the Russians took some 230000 Polish prisoners of war.

This piece of history and Russias denial of their actions for the past 71 years has caused continual and understandable hostile relationship between Poland and Russia, until yesterday.

Yesterday Putin got down on one knee and officially acknowledged Russias actions and apologised for them, it was a good day for Poland.

Today the plane taking the Polish prime minister, his wife and 130 other members of the Polish Govenment to a conference in Russia crashed. There were no survivors.

I have no Idea what this will mean for Poland or their relationship with Russia or the conspiracy theories that will arise.

All I can think is * hell.

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Postby Mandrake » Apr 10th, '10, 11:49

From BBC News 24:
Polish President Lech Kaczynski and scores of others have been killed in a plane crash in Russia.

Polish and Russian officials said no-one had survived after the plane apparently hit trees as it approached Smolensk's airport in thick fog.

Poland's army chief, central bank governor, MPs and leading historians were among more than 80 passengers.

They were flying in from Warsaw to mark 70 years since the Katyn massacre of thousands of Poles by Soviet forces.

The BBC's Adam Easton, in Warsaw, says the crash is a catastrophe for the Polish people.

He says Prime Minister Donald Tusk was reportedly in tears when he was told.

Mr Tusk, who runs the day-to-day business of government, has called an emergency meeting of ministers.

The Russian emergencies ministry told Itar-Tass news agency the plane crashed at 1056 Moscow time (0656 GMT).

Smolensk regional governor Sergei Antufiev told Russian TV that no-one had survived.

"As it was preparing for landing, the Polish president's aircraft did not make it to the landing strip," he said.

"According to preliminary reports, it got caught up in the tops of trees, fell to the ground and broke up into pieces. There are no survivors in that crash."

Poland's Foreign Ministry spokesman, Piotr Paszkowski, also said it could be assumed with "great certainty" that no-one had survived.

"We still cannot fully understand the scope of this tragedy and what it means for us in the future. Nothing like this has ever happened in Poland," Mr Paszkowski said.

It is unclear how many people were on board. Polish officials said the delegation was 88-strong, and local officials said 96 people had been killed.

Russian investigators had earlier said there were a total of 132 people on the plane.

Russian media carried claims that the plane's crew were at fault for the crash.

"The pilot was advised to land in Minsk, but decided to land in Smolensk," said Andrei Yevseyenkov, a Smolensk regional government spokesman .
The president was flying in a Tupolev 154, a plane that was designed in the 1960s and capable of carrying more than 100 passengers.

Our correspondent says there had been calls for Polish leaders to upgrade their planes.

As well as the president and his wife, Maria, a number of senior officials were on the passenger list.

They included the army chief of staff Gen Franciszek Gagor, central bank governor Slawomir Skrzypek and deputy Foreign Minister Andrzej Kremer.

Mr Kaczynski, who has fewer powers than the prime minister but has a significant say in foreign policy, has been a controversial figure in Polish politics.

He has advocated a right-wing Catholic agenda, opposed rapid free-market reforms and favoured retaining social welfare programmes.


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Postby Tomo » Apr 10th, '10, 13:15

The conspiracy theorists will feast on this one for years to come but, really, coincidence is just a reet bu**er.

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Postby Discombobulator » Apr 10th, '10, 15:01

Very sad and unfortunate, but I don't think its anything sinister. Think of all the journeys that world leaders have ever taken, but have not crashed.

Its a bit like those who think its a coincidence when you think of someone just seconds before they phone you. Then think of all the phone calls you take where you are not thinking of the person who is calling you.

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Postby Flash » Apr 10th, '10, 21:28

:shock:

Blimey!!!! That really is the stuff that conspiracy theories are made of...

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Postby TonyB » Apr 10th, '10, 21:50

Its very depressing news, and my sympathy goes out to the Polish people. The last thing any country needs in a time of recession is for the power structure to be wiped out like this. This news has put a spoiler on my night.

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Postby Robbie » Apr 12th, '10, 14:56

It's reported today that serious questions are being asked in Poland about why so many top people were allowed to travel on the same plane.

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Postby themagicwand » Apr 12th, '10, 15:19

Apparently the Polish President was known for getting angry at pilots who refused to land at designated airports because of bad weather. The last pilot who changed their destination airport due to bad weather got a reet bo**ocking apparently. Might explain why the pilot felt compelled to attempt a landing in bad weather and against the wishes of flight controllers.

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Postby the Curator » Apr 12th, '10, 20:32

Well, why don't we send our Belgian governement to Poland ?

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