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Harry Guinness wrote:Oi! I'm not drunk all the time (about half the time I'm hungover!). And red heads are not automatically sexy. Billie Piper and Freema Agyemon or however it's spelt were way hotter than Amy!

Red head trumps call girl

Now I'm imagining a redheaded Billie Piper...she could rule the world!

Lawrence wrote:

Harry Guinness wrote:Oi! I'm not drunk all the time (about half the time I'm hungover!). And red heads are not automatically sexy. Billie Piper and Freema Agyemon or however it's spelt were way hotter than Amy!

Red head trumps call girl

Not in the slightest!

themagicwand wrote:The Daleks and the Cybermen and everyone else teaming up to save the universe? Nah. It's in her head. It's a prison where the Doctor can play his games safely. He said with confidence.

There has been a recurring theme of unconsciousness, and of minds/persons being enslaved or freed...

Prisoner 0 escapes from a prison through the rift
The coma patients are unconsciously held captive in their dreams
The space whale is also a slave
The Daleks needed a sort of password to free themselves
The angels infiltrated Amy's mind
the girls in venice under hypnosis
The dream-lord...

It's all you're-under, breaking out, being imprisoned, free-your-mind stuff... and it all seems to come out of the rift. Wonder if something on the other side is trying to tell the Doctor something? Is it his own mind? Tearing apart the fabric of a false universe?

I for one would love the new Daleks to be merely a bad dream...

From what i have been able to find out...

dont read if you dont want to know.....

He's only in the box for half an hour or so. Rory lets him out, and gives him the vortex manipulator, so he can go back and fix things.( and to find something special to make amy better)

A side effect of the box, is that keeps you alive.

Rory puts Amy into it.

He then stands guard over her... for a thousand years.

That something special, wears red boots.


Oh.... and the doctor pays tribute to Tommy cooper.

Wow! What a finale... and a great ending to keep us teased until Christmas!

Very satisfying writing, almost entirely character driven... and I think Matt Smith may just have nudged ahead of Tom Baker in the age-old 'Best Doctor Ever' poll. And he's only had one series to do it in!

Can't wait to watch 'Confidential' - and then watch the episode again...

Best line belonged to Rory (as usual...!) "I was plastic... and he was the stripper at my stag do!"

And - we were right about that whole 'multiple-doctors-running-round-the-forest' malarkey in the Weeping Angels episode...

Brilliant stuff!


Sean

Loved it!



And a small-scale end-of-all-things episode too. RTD would have had daleks filling the skies. Moffat made do with the last four beings in existence...

Epic, in far and away a much better way than the RTD finales...

Wonderful fairytale story-telling, intermixed with classic, myth-driven structure.

Matt Smith owned this last couple of eps, too - feztastic

I still don't get how he escaoed though...

rory helped him escape with the help of the doctor, who could only help after escaping, who could only escape with the help of rory with the help of the doctor, who could only help rory after escaping with the help of rory and the doctor, who, in turn, could only..................

Very paradoxical! That was the only weak bit in the episode I think!

Beardy wrote:rory helped him escape with the help of the doctor, who could only help after escaping, who could only escape with the help of rory with the help of the doctor, who could only help rory after escaping with the help of rory and the doctor, who, in turn, could only..................

Very paradoxical! That was the only weak bit in the episode I think!

I can see your point but when it's time travel related it's usually better to just accept things than try and understand them; the univerise is a vast and bizarre place.
But in the word of Chief O'Brian "I hate quantum mechanics!"

Awesome episode though.

"I could buy a fez"

Nice enough episode indeed I suppose.
Not the most challenging of threats was it, locked in a box for 5 minutes, save the universe, die for five minutes, then stop dying a bit cos a tasty redhead remembers you. I can live with that though for a nicely told story and some good quiet drama and skilled acting. Not to mention the horror that is River Song wasn't in it much

As for the time travel stuff, yes, as always in Doctor Who you have to go with the flow of the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff and let it go BUT one piece is too nonsensical to let go and can't be explained away..

IF the Doctor never existed, this does NOT lead to a world restored but with Amy's Parents as a bonus, surely it means a world long exterminated by Daleks or deleted by cybermen, or enslaved by the master. For the few minutes he never existed they made it seem as if everything he has ever done since the days of William Hartnell have been irrelevant and he has achieved nothing.

CutToTheAce wrote:Nice enough episode indeed I suppose.
Not the most challenging of threats was it, locked in a box for 5 minutes, save the universe, die for five minutes, then stop dying a bit cos a tasty redhead remembers you. I can live with that though for a nicely told story and some good quiet drama and skilled acting. Not to mention the horror that is River Song wasn't in it much

As for the time travel stuff, yes, as always in Doctor Who you have to go with the flow of the wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff and let it go BUT one piece is too nonsensical to let go and can't be explained away..

IF the Doctor never existed, this does NOT lead to a world restored but with Amy's Parents as a bonus, surely it means a world long exterminated by Daleks or deleted by cybermen, or enslaved by the master. For the few minutes he never existed they made it seem as if everything he has ever done since the days of William Hartnell have been irrelevant and he has achieved nothing.

I took that it means that instead of the Daleks or Cybermen finding out about earth, They completely over looked it and Earth pretty much ended up just the same, While the Daleks and Time Lords pretty much wiped each other out, instead of being trapped in the Time Lock with Timothy Dalton.

With no Dr there really isn't much point in attacking Earth. Much safer world without him.

Anyway the most important development was that fez's are cool again.

I just rewatched a little of episode 12, because I was left wondering who says the words 'Silence will fall' in the Tardis... It sounds very much like Davros..

Fez's are cool.

Did anyone else like the clever use of suggestion; 'something borrowed, something new, something old, something blue.'

I didn't like the fact that it's been a long standing plot point with Doctor Who that he does not travel along his own timeline, they made a point of showing the consequences of doing that back in season one "Father's Day" episode. Yet here he is free to go back and actually whisper into his own ear.

So what's the point of watching now if he can just do that every time he get's in trouble? There's no element of suspense anymore.