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I tried using the search function to see if there was any forums with these mentioned, but im getting alot of unusual posts?

Im looking for ideas for usage of a double sided card / cards - specifically the apparent "transformation" of one card into another either through briefly covering it or by fast movement of the arm.

Ive seen a video of an intriguing 4 aces routine and having decided to work my own version out but using completely different methods for the Ace dissapearences and re-appearances have opted for double sided cards.

Any pointers you chaps can give me?

Hi!

Try searching under ”doubleface“ or ”doubleback“.
I don't think there is much under ”double sided“.
Cheers!

Heavy on the Magik wrote:Ive seen a video of an intriguing 4 aces routine and having decided to work my own version out but using completely different methods for the Ace dissapearences and re-appearances have opted for double sided cards.

Any pointers you chaps can give me?

I think you'll find its the classic method.

Which video was it ?

Aha - doublebacked yields better results!

Its a video filmed in sepia (brown and white grain) with a young chappy showing 3 ways that he "vanishes" his aces back into his original pile. I will find the link and post it later.

If its the effect I'm thinking of I cant see how a DBer would be much use Unless I'm thinking of something different of course

jim

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjbmupfnrKE

Here is a video similair - i couldnt find the exact one im thinking of but this is damn close. Im assuming its pretty obvious where the cards i mentioned earlier could be used...?

The fluidity of his movements for each change are very smooth and quick i must say. I hope i can learn to be that smooth.

That is the classic Ace Assembly.

If you want to learn this there are many to choose from. There are marketed versions such as McDonalds Aces and the one in your post (which I believe belongs to Gary Kurtz). Then theres Bob Kohlers Aces in their Faces - this uses a slightly different idea.

There are many ungimmicked and gimmicked versions to be found in books. The classic books that are usually mentioned and recommended have a few in them.

jim

This site comes up on search engines. I think perhaps we are on the edge of exposure here talking about these matters. The first rule I learned in magic was never to tell how a trick was done.

And even worse you are telling how MY trick is done. Beware. I have psychic powers and know how to put a hex upon exposers.

mark lewis wrote:I think perhaps we are on the edge of exposure here talking about these matters.

Reading back I think you may be right. Though I dont think any of my posts have exposed

And YOUR trick ?, I think you'll find its mine. I bought all rights to this trick (including the patter) from a guy down my local

jim

Actually it was Hofzinser's trick believe it or not even though One Arm McDonald gets the credit. And I seriously doubt that Hofzinser was the chap at your local pub since he has been somewhat dead for about 150 years or so. Or perhaps a little less.

Hofzinser called the trick "The Power of Faith" It may well be the best trick I do. If this thread is read properly and the video and topic header are taken into account I think it does give the game away to those who have no business knowing how it is done. In other words, laymen.

I really hate the internet sometimes.

Here's a clip of me performing the effect in question. Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mh2XoMX7Rs

mark lewis wrote:If this thread is read properly and the video and topic header are taken into account I think it does give the game away to those who have no business knowing how it is done. In other words, laymen.

Good point. I bet loads of laymen see one of a thousand ace assemblies, and then type hofzinzer, doubleback, ace, and talkmagic.co.uk into google.

Ban the OP.

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Im shocked that this could be classed as exposure - that wasnt my original intent at all!

I have my own ideas for how routines such as this can be performed, and simply wanted to request pointers in the right direction to aquire knowledge to put into practice.

It is becoming more apparent that unless you spend money you dont get anywhere without being reminded of expose - what you need is a magicians only p.worded forum for this type of thing

Any chance someone can compile a list of all the magi on here and what type of magic they do so i can simply pm someone in the know for pointers?

mark lewis wrote:Actually it was Hofzinser's trick believe it or not even though One Arm McDonald gets the credit.

Yes. Vernon wrongly credited the effect to McDonald as it was he who taught it to Vernon. I first learned it when I was 9 or 10 and have been using it ever since, I am constantly refining it. In fact my 'core' effects are all classic plots. The way I chose each piece was to study all I could on a specific effect, where it came from, any changes that were made through the years etc. before deciding on which version to use as a basis for my own. My ace assembly has gone through numerous changes through the years.

Heavy - We have a magicians only section here in which we can talk more freely. I know this thread wasn't intentionally meant to expose but Mark is correct in that the varous snippets of information could be put together, and therefor expose part of the effect. If you look through the forum you'll see abbreviations used for certain words, check my posts in this thread to see what I mean.

PM me if you'd like to discuss this effect.

jim

Paul - I remember watching your clip when you first posted it here, you do it well. There is one thing that annoys me with many folk doing this effect though - THE MUSIC. Why does everyone feel that they have to go into Copperfield mode to perform this ? So Copperfield used this music, shouldnt that be a reason NOT to use the same score ?

jim