Why is Mentalism not Magic

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Postby GreatAlexander » Feb 1st, '11, 19:15



sleightlycrazy wrote:
GreatAlexander wrote:The answer is simple

In our culture , Magic is a Trick. Mentalism can be real.


I say in our " culture , because in some places in our earth, we still can create a religion with a simple TT and some FT.


Good point with that last bit. In UCR, I've met many Indian people who either believe or have family members believe in that one guy who produces ash with a TT. He apparently uses sleight of hand to produce golden "idols" as well. I've chatted with some of the people and talked about how he got caught and demonstrated TT work (without explicitly exposing it-- I have ways of cleanly showing my hands despite the TT). I hope, if nothing else, they question the legitimacy of the conman SOB.



Yeah , thats my point.

Magic has been trivialized . Weird hats, funny magic wands, cliches and old and bad tricks are creating more and more trivialization about the real art of magic . The art that in the past was taken as the real deal, real witchcraft, now are just tricks.

Just a few are creating different approaches , for example Paul Harris and his concept of the astonishment, Eugene Burger, Jeff Mcbride ,etc.


Mentalism is more plausible because deals with "real" phenomenons that all the persons in our occidental culture knows, such as prophecies, psychic phenomenon ,etc.

Psychics are popular in our culture, witchs no so much yet.


For that reason some "Gurus" are using TT for appearing gold and creating with that religions and cults.

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Postby TheMentalist » Feb 1st, '11, 20:14

Performing mentalism as something supernatural is absolutely unethical, have you no decency? the paranormal industry is a dangerous and addictive one. I perform my mentalism as Psychological Tricks, why? I don't want to perform it as just magic, because it does take away from the feeling the spectator gets as if they just experienced something special, rather than 'Just a magic trick'

I don't like to make too much woo-woo claims like NLP, or even Subliminal messages, because on those subjects there is so much Bullsh*t out there I don't want my audience to believe for one second. I like to stick to things like suggestion, body language, ideomotor, PWA, etc and then try to use the actual claim as much as possible. on occasion i will do mental Magic (being things like Spoon bending) or bizarre magick (being swallowing razors, not something like PK touches, to me that's mentalism) then my claim would be simply... conjuring tricks, as magic too is one of my skills to create an illusion of a sixth sense.

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Postby Jean » Feb 1st, '11, 22:58

TheMentalist wrote:Performing mentalism as something supernatural is absolutely unethical, have you no decency? the paranormal industry is a dangerous and addictive one. I perform my mentalism as Psychological Tricks, why? I don't want to perform it as just magic, because it does take away from the feeling the spectator gets as if they just experienced something special, rather than 'Just a magic trick'


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Postby Erwin » Feb 1st, '11, 23:01

Jean Eugene Roberts wrote:Oh God it's starting! Everybody run!


Stuff that, I brought popcorn.

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Postby pcwells » Feb 2nd, '11, 09:07

Can we have a separate thread of potted highlights from the upcoming squabbles?

It would save me so much time. :)

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Postby themagicwand » Feb 2nd, '11, 10:29

TheMentalist wrote:Performing mentalism as something supernatural is absolutely unethical, have you no decency? the paranormal industry is a dangerous and addictive one.

No, no - you're thinking of masturbation.

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Feb 2nd, '11, 11:36

It's like being stuck on a merry go round sometimes and just going around and around.... it's making me dizzy...

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Postby Mandrake » Feb 2nd, '11, 12:59

Lady of Mystery wrote:It's like being stuck on a merry go round sometimes and just going around and around.... it's making me dizzy...


Just to complete the effect http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNr3_1f2p7k and kerlickety klick..

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