talkmagic.co.uk

Just watched this.

On the Kicked Right Back effect, in the explanation it says that you have qc qs on the table, and the dupe qs/qc on the bottom of the deck.

In the performance, the cards are handed to the spec who is asked to fan through them face up to pick out two cards he can remember.

I just watched the exp. a second time to check I wasn't missing anything, and I have no idea how, with two face up cards on the table, the spec isn't meant to notice the two dupe cards on the face of the deck.

Do either of them post here?

Am I being a total 'tard?

(Obv I can work out ways round this, but wanted to know what the original effect was actually meant to be!)

Both are good friends of mine

I will get Gary to reply you. (he does post on here)

Here I am performing the effect live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOjVQlf4wN4

Should give you an idea?

Let me know.

Lee.

Lee Smith wrote:Both are good friends of mine

I will get Gary to reply you. (he does post on here)

Here I am performing the effect live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOjVQlf4wN4

Should give you an idea?

Let me know.

Lee.

Thanks for responding.

As I said, I could do what you do, or a number of other things, but that isn't what is done in the performance section of the trick on the DVD.
I just watched it a third time to check I'm not being an idiot. This is what happens:

Spec is handed the deck face up and asked to pull out two cards he will remember.

How on earth can you do that with two dupes on the face of the deck of the two face up cards on the table!?!?!

I'm confuddled!

(Bloody great trick though)

Love that lee - smashing

When filming a performance for an instructional dvd, and especially with this themed series by Gary & Chris, the idea is just to give the basic idea of the effect, alowing you to then work with it to suit your style. As with most demonstrations for magicians, the situation is simplified for ease of convenience. The two cards were at the face for the demo just to eliminate complicating the premise at that time. (just like you also wouldn't tell the spec you are controlling the selections to the top, as Gary does, it's all just a bit of fun at that point.) During the explanation, you then get an idea of where to start from, ie useing Vernon's depth illusion etc.

I'll give you anexample. Often a demo involves a random selection for a multiple out. When doing the demo, the "spectator" has often been asked to name a certain one so the magish can then just go straight into the prepared out without having to worry about working it out, etc.

screwystewie wrote:

Lee Smith wrote:Both are good friends of mine

I will get Gary to reply you. (he does post on here)

Here I am performing the effect live.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOjVQlf4wN4

Should give you an idea?

Let me know.

Lee.

Thanks for responding.

As I said, I could do what you do, or a number of other things, but that isn't what is done in the performance section of the trick on the DVD.
I just watched it a third time to check I'm not being an idiot. This is what happens:

Spec is handed the deck face up and asked to pull out two cards he will remember.

How on earth can you do that with two dupes on the face of the deck of the two face up cards on the table!?!?!

I'm confuddled!

(Bloody great trick though)

I knew Marlo's bottom palm replacement from the Marlo Magazine would come in handy at some point lol! It's a magician thing

Glad you like the effect and thank you for your kind comment, both myself and Lee have had some great reactions with this.

Regards,

Gary Jones.

Ooh, it's great when authors/creators respond. Thanks for taking the time, Mr Jones. However, not sure I understand your post.

Are you saying for the performance part of the video you used that Marlo move, and then you did a different explanation?

And yes, it's a great trick and a really well put together DVD, lots of good ideas and a bargain price for all the effects you get.

I am just stuck at this part that isn't explained! I'd prefer not to take any risk of the cards being spotted, so a (re)placement move seems a good idea.

Arkesus wrote:When filming a performance for an instructional dvd, and especially with this themed series by Gary & Chris, the idea is just to give the basic idea of the effect, alowing you to then work with it to suit your style. As with most demonstrations for magicians, the situation is simplified for ease of convenience. The two cards were at the face for the demo just to eliminate complicating the premise at that time. (just like you also wouldn't tell the spec you are controlling the selections to the top, as Gary does, it's all just a bit of fun at that point.) During the explanation, you then get an idea of where to start from, ie useing Vernon's depth illusion etc.

I'll give you anexample. Often a demo involves a random selection for a multiple out. When doing the demo, the "spectator" has often been asked to name a certain one so the magish can then just go straight into the prepared out without having to worry about working it out, etc.

Oh right.

My bad then.

I'm more of a book guy, I only have a dozen or so DVDs so I must ignorant about them. In the other DVDs I have the magician performs and effect, then explains it. Here, the magician performs AN effect, then explains one that is different. I didn't realise that was normal.

Thanks for your help.

Sorry for thinking that magicians taught how to work the effect they explained.

EDIT: Just seen Mr Jones has PMd me and explained what happened and why. I love the internet. I have a question and the dude that made the trick responds to me. Brilliant.

screwystewie wrote:
EDIT: Just seen Mr Jones has PMd me and explained what happened and why. I love the internet. I have a question and the dude that made the trick responds to me. Brilliant.

It also works the opposite way too, during the explanations we often go into different methods and presentational ideas which are not on the performance section. A classic example of this is on mine and Lee Smith's new DVD iCandy, during the explanation of the effect Vanishing Point I include a completely different effect which uses the same moves.

At lectures I sometimes do my 3Fly routine from my Flying Tonight DVD but using a glass, I've had magicians come up to me and said I should have put this onto the DVD, it is on there lol!

The performance section is usually just a guide to how the basic effect looks, it's when you go into the explanation section do you see all the variables. Much like a book, the effect is first described so that you have some idea when you go to the method section, once you've learned this you now go and put your stamp on the effect to make it yours.

All the best,

Gary Jones.
P.S. You're not going mad, the performance is slightly different to the explanation, well spotted and thank you for pointing this out.