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by **Mr Grumpy** » Apr 16th, '11, 17:10

Am thinking of how to put together a walkaround and table hopping effect with the same sort of plot as Potassi's. Instead of placing the silks on tables, could drop them into a silk bag of a different colour.

I can't claim to be anywhere near as good as PP with silks of course (especially after just a week's practice!), but I think I could get away with it using the fake knot Bill Malone teaches on DVD (I think he credits it to someone other than Slydini but I forget who). Just tie the dodgy knot and drop the silk into a colourful silk bag. Have someone remove it and there's no knot...

I think the bag could be used for a bit of misdirection, and would build up some suspense. Have someone shake the bag or whatever.

Have just figured out how to do the reverse, drop them in 'untied' then pull them out tied, though it would be a very different sort of knot.

by **daleshrimpton** » Apr 16th, '11, 21:57

have a look at the stuff in Fulves self working Handkerchief magic.
There are some excelent close up silk knot effects that you may be able to use.

by **jim ferguson** » Apr 16th, '11, 22:41

The Devil's Tailor wrote:Am thinking of how to put together a walkaround and table hopping effect with the same sort of plot as Potassi's. Instead of placing the silks on tables, could drop them into a silk bag of a different colour.

jim

by **Mr Grumpy** » Apr 17th, '11, 16:11

daleshrimpton wrote:have a look at the stuff in Fulves self working Handkerchief magic.
There are some excelent close up silk knot effects that you may be able to use.

Will check that out...

by **Mr Grumpy** » Apr 17th, '11, 16:14

jim ferguson wrote:If its for walkaround mingling or table hopping you could always use pockets - stick the knots (or the end they will appear) in the pocket leaving the rest of the length hanging outside.[/list]jim

Ooh, I like that. Maybe use a pocket that you can get them to check for trapdoors, eg outside breast pocket. Though, my pockets are so loaded up with decks of cards and so on.

I think I'm just going to get them to hold their hand flat, palm up, so basically the same as Paul Potassy's stage routine but with their hand as the table. That old thing about the magic being more startling if it happens in/on the victim's hand.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Apr 17th, '11, 16:19

The Devil's Tailor wrote:
jim ferguson wrote:If its for walkaround mingling or table hopping you could always use pockets - stick the knots (or the end they will appear) in the pocket leaving the rest of the length hanging outside.[/list]jim

Ooh, I like that. Maybe use a pocket that you can get them to check for trapdoors, eg outside breast pocket. Though, my pockets are so loaded up with decks of cards and so on. Well, I'm sure I'm not alone there!

I think I'm just going to get them to hold their hand flat, palm up, and place the silks on their hand, so basically the same as Paul Potassy's stage routine but with their hand as the table. That old thing about the magic being more powerful if it happens in/on the victim's hand.

by **daleshrimpton** » Apr 17th, '11, 17:35

its more elegant if you place the silks in 2 wine glasses,held by the audience members.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Apr 17th, '11, 17:45

OK. I can see that. Maybe more elegant but less personal. I like the idea of them directly feeling the silks on their skin as they magically untie (unseen of course as the knots are covered by the remainder of the silk).

I guess it's a trade off, wine glasses more elegant, hand more personal.

Anyway, I performed this for the first time at a house party last night, and the reactions were awesome. I just did the whole thing in my own hands but in future will try placing on their hands. I've only been into this for a week so am very pleased to already be getting great reactions.

I'd like to use silks of two diff colours, like Paul P (who uses three of course), but it says in Slydini that the punters will see some of the moves, and I'm sure he's right. Why does PP get away with it? Maybe just because he's on stage so a bit further away, though more likely he's not doing the move(s) that Slydini was referring to, which I think are only required if you're doing the whole 'the knots are really tight' thing, which PP doesn't do.

I find it interesting that he doesn't do that. Pull the knots extra tight. At least, as far as I remember. I'll have to watch it again...

by **jim ferguson** » Apr 17th, '11, 18:49

The wine glasses would be a nice idea. With walkaround though it would probably mean youd have to carry the glasses around with you, as the glasses the specs have will probably be full.
There is no need to show the knots fully tightened for the Sympathetic Silks. Its important for Slydinis effect to show the knots tight because of the nature of the effect - you are magically undoing knots that you and the spectator has tied, so the tighter these appear to be the better. The Sympathetic Silks while similar, is more subtle.
With regard to using two different coloured silks - if you watch the clip closeley you'll notice there is some effective shading used to conceal the critical moment, so nothing is seen.

jim

by **Mr Grumpy** » Apr 17th, '11, 19:00

jim ferguson wrote:With regard to using two different coloured silks - if you watch the clip closeley you'll notice there is some effective shading used to conceal the critical moment, so nothing is seen.
jim

Not familiar with the word 'shading' in magic, oddly. Just meaning hiding it, blocking the view?

by **daleshrimpton** » Apr 17th, '11, 19:01

the sympathetic knots are so loose, you can do the business with a flick of the thumb.also,the knots are closer to the end.

by **Mr Grumpy** » Apr 17th, '11, 19:35

I guess they can be loose in SK because there isn't the challenge aspect that Slydini and Malone have? Also of course if it's on stage people aren't so focused on tiny details like quite how tightly the knot is tied.

With the Paul Potassi, I can see how he unties the knots, but I can't figure out how he ties them on the other set of hankies, if he's not using a gimmick. I guess I'll find the answer to that in one of the books that's been mentioned on this thread.

by **daleshrimpton** » Apr 17th, '11, 20:03

oh,thats where the little bit of help comes in. you asked if the silks were gimmicked... they are not. watch the videos again. :wink:

by **Agent488** » Apr 19th, '11, 00:11

The Devil's Tailor wrote:Not familiar with the word 'shading' in magic, oddly. Just meaning hiding it, blocking the view?

watchy watchy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsDaLtk1u5k

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0323939/

by **Mr Grumpy** » Apr 19th, '11, 10:41

Watched but no answer is revealed. Will look it up somewhere.

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