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Ok, I've tried to do this kind of post before, and people still seemed to get the wrong end of the stick, even with my careful wording. So, I'm putting this out there strait away. This is me after a discution, either in private or on this thread, about a way to work a deck vanish into a routine I am working on. This is not me asking for methods on vanishing a deck! So, if you feel the urge to post something that tells me I shouldn't ask for secrets, just remember, I'm not, so don't bother posting it.

Anyway, enough with that. I'm sure you can understand that there are plently of people on here that'll jump on the chance to say "we don't give away secrets". Basicly, this is a close up routine which is based around the whole card under the box effect. I've put together a nice set, but have just had a thought for an ending and this is what I'm after some input on. As the effect goes, the card is of course lost and found under the card box a few times, ect. we all know the plot, but for the finish, I've been putting the deck into the card box, and then their selection still ending up under it. I've been thinking though, if there was a way to do this, but then have it so that a spectator can open up the box their card was under, that I had put the rest of the deck into, and find it empty. Missing the deck.

I know this is a slightly bad description, but I'm going to assume that if someone has some input they will contact me and we can descuss the machanics of the effect in more detail to come to a conclussion.

So, if anyone dose have any thoughts, please either post here and I'll contact you, you pm me yourself. I am more than happy to explain my routine in full with you, for one reason, so that we can come to an idea best, but for another, so you know that I'm not just fishing for secrets and that you know that I actually have knowledge of card machanics.

Once again, if you think I'm after all your secrets, I'm not, I'm hoping someone can help me with mine. So please, no negative comments.

Thanks,
Anthony

Take a look at James Brown's work with the card under box - you'll like it

Thanks, I'll probably do that in the morning as for me it's gone 2am. The effect I'm going for is to appear to put the deck into the card box but of course, vanish it and have the box empty, however, I'm not sure how to acomplish this while getting the final card under there using the method I've got already. I will take a look though.

Thanks again

Just a quick edit. I just had a quick youtube search, nothing to major, but do you perhaps have a link to something by him on this effect?

I think it's called 'closeup magician of the year' or something like that? He puts a deck of cards away, and all vanish bar their selected cards

You could, after having the card appear under the box for the final time (with the natural misdirection) switch the deck for an omni deck, put that (with their card on top) back into the card box & then when they lookinside all they find is their card plus the plastic block.

Not how I end mine but it does involve the Omni Deck.

Well without giving away my method for getting the final card under, it is based around the putting of the deck back into the box. I want to be able to show that not only did the selected card makes it's way back under the box for the final time, but the deck has also vanished from inside the card case.

This is what I'm after

hds02115 wrote: I want to be able to show that not only did the selected card makes it's way back under the box for the final time, but the deck has also vanished from inside the card case.

This is what I'm after

This isn't quite what you're after but have you considered putting the cards in the box, placing it on the table as if the effect had finished and said oh how about one last time and looking under the box only to see that the card didn't make it under. A bit of patter about wondering where it is and opening the box only to find that all the cards have vanished, and the selected card is the only one inside?

Lee Smiths Transboxition is by far the best card under box routine I've seen in my opinion, its on one of his steps dvds, you should check them out

Cool thanks. Although it wasn't what I was mainly after, if I couldn't get exactly what I was after, if I can't achieve this, then I might try to go for mrz0mbie idea. Still, thanks for the ideas.

I haven't tried this so it is just theory. But you can go a step further. It will however take some work. Get yourself signed card in box. I'm not sure if it is still on the market or not. Basically a spectator choses a card, signs it and eventually the signed card ends up in a sealed deck.

In your case you work your routine as you outlined. Then you perform the sealed card in deck, but here is the rub...you don't actually perform that effect you just use a modified method.

Once the card is secretly in the sealed deck, only at this point, (because you have cleverly changed the effect) you have loaded the signed selection into an empty sealed, (or not sealed depending on your wants) box.

A deck switch is in order, simple enough there are many books which outline the subject. So it would go something like this.

Your routine,
last phase, cards go in box, box goes on table. Snap the fingers card once again is under the box. WAIT A GOSH DARN SECOND THERE IS NO CARD UNDER THE DECK! Wait another second! This bloody deck is sealed, celophane and all! Wait listen, (rattle rattle) when you shake the box. That is odd! Hand box to specatator to let them open it, after all it could be dangerous, no need for the magician to put himself in harms way. Spectator opens the box to find only the signed selected card in the box.

Like I said, large learning curve, but could be worth it.

Ps. Your last post that I commented on. No matter how one reads it you were looking for secrets. Perhaps be carefull with your wording, see this was a good post and I was only too happy to help.

You could always just lap the cards and mime putting them in the box. That works. You just need to have the bravado

I've considered lapping the deck and putting a fulse deck in, but it just doesn't look natural, even with the right kind of misdirection it's still a mich to big of a move considering at the moment, the way I load the last card under the box is tied into putting the deck in there.

If it helps anyone think, I can explain away what I do in the last phase of this effect to help, maybe I need to change this part, or maybe someone can think of a way of getting the result I'm after still using this method. If you're interested just send me a message and I'll be happy to discuss this with you.

Could you palm off their card then having NOT found their card under the box. Reach into your inside jacket pocket to retrieve their card (possibly even in a wallet). UNder the misdirection of opening the jacket you can easily switch the boxed deck for an empty box which you will have enough time to get back onto the table while they marvel at the card being found in your jacket.

Beardy wrote:You could always just lap the cards and mime putting them in the box. That works. You just need to have the bravado

Yeah, or switch it for a deck "shell" of some sort?

Daniel Madison has an effect called Crush in his book, 'M', in which a signed card is returned to the deck, the deck is shuffled and the cards are placed in the box. The deck is placed on the floor or the table and is crushed under the foot or hand. When the box is opened it contains the signed selection. Check out his website if you're interested.