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Why is religion even mentioned ? It sounds like the guy was just being an eejit, the fact that he's a christian has nothing to do with it.

Ted wrote:You can find the self-righteous in all walks of life, religious faith or no religious faith. Similarly with maniacs. I tend to encounter them most often on the internet, as it happens.

Yes I agree, but are they all genuine maniacs?

People often say a lot online that they might not say to someone's face as there are no repercussions I guess

The people I know in real life, who also post online, are always relatively sane. Who knows either way about the anonymous online-only posters?

Alfred Borden wrote:
People often say a lot online that they might not say to someone's face as there are no repercussions I guess

there will always be little girls who need to hide behind their screens and talk sh*t....

It is true that maybe it has nothing to do with his faith but the point I'm trying to make is this;

He lives his life believing that a man did impossible things 2000 years ago was the son of god. So does he think that Someone doing impossible things these days is just a fraud? Like tbh what's the difference between 2 guys doing impossible things, (obviously not comparing myself to Jesus ha ha just 2 men doing "impossible" things)

if jesus was alive today then would he try to explain his "miracles", no, course not, but why?

Tbh he is a bit strange, he went travelling 10 years ago, ended up in Vegas then comes back a devout Christian, he gives 400 a month to the church. Seems like maybe he got up to no good and is now scared so trying to make amends lol

So to summarise, how can a man think Jesus was the be all and end all of a miracle worker but goes out his way to try to make everyone believe that anything else by another man is fake, illusion, slight etc

rvoice100 wrote:he went travelling 10 years ago, ended up in Vegas then comes back a devout Christian

That explains a lot!

Some guys jut can't handle Vegas

rvoice100 wrote:does he think that Someone doing impossible things these days is just a fraud?

You'd have to ask him that, I guess.

rvoice100 wrote:Some guys jut can't handle Vegas

Vegas is hellish enough to make ME believe

Just tell him God made man, God made man know how to trick man. Therefore God created illusions.

Mandrake wrote:

Alfred Borden wrote:Oh dear, religion...

As you can probably guess, we've had quite a few ding dongs over Faith and Religion on TM, sooner or later the threads tend to go way off topic, feathers fly, rattles get thrown out of prams and so on. Hopefully this one will fare better because we're all very sensble and understanding people - aren't we... !

Something about posting on a religious subject matter on forums really gets the godless heathens going.

rvoice100 wrote:It is true that maybe it has nothing to do with his faith but the point I'm trying to make is this;

He lives his life believing that a man did impossible things 2000 years ago was the son of god. So does he think that Someone doing impossible things these days is just a fraud? Like tbh what's the difference between 2 guys doing impossible things, (obviously not comparing myself to Jesus ha ha just 2 men doing "impossible" things)

if jesus was alive today then would he try to explain his "miracles", no, course not, but why?

Tbh he is a bit strange, he went travelling 10 years ago, ended up in Vegas then comes back a devout Christian, he gives 400 a month to the church. Seems like maybe he got up to no good and is now scared so trying to make amends lol

So to summarise, how can a man think Jesus was the be all and end all of a miracle worker but goes out his way to try to make everyone believe that anything else by another man is fake, illusion, slight etc

Because to him, Jesus was the son of God and channelled holy power directly from the almighty. He thinks that you are doing tricks with bits of thread and sleight of hand. He is at least half right.

There is some suggestion in the Bible that priests knew certain tricks. Moses had a sort of magic duel with the Pharaoh's wizards. Each of them turned a stick into a snake, but apparently, Moses' version ate the magicians' snakes. That makes me think this was a known priestly trick (irrespective of whether Moses had, um, a bigger snake).

If Jesus were alive today (for the first time), this guy might well be treating his miracles in the same way he treats your tricks. However, Jesus was around a couple of thousand years back and many millions of people believe in the things he did, as recorded in the Bible (some literally, others taking a slightly broader approach). Your work colleague believes in something which is impossible to disprove, in the absence of a time machine (and maybe not even then...).

As others have said, your colleague is one of two things. He might be the sort of person who challenges anything he views as a puzzle or giving someone else attention (but he won't view the events in the Bible on the same terms). He might be the sort of person who has to try to undermine even obvious trickery (as in you aren't claiming to have real special powers, not that you do the tricks badly) for religious reasons (possibly weak faith, possibly because he doesn't really "get" that magic as a performing art isn't really the same as being the Pharaoh's wizard).

If you can work out exactly what the underlying issue is, you can deal with it better. I think the "refuse to show anything if he's around" option is quite a good starting point.

Ted wrote:The people I know in real life, who also post online, are always relatively sane. Who knows either way about the anonymous online-only posters?

Part-timer is one of the people to whom I refer above.

It reads like the guy himself and his lifestyle irk you much more than his reaction to your performance does. Why do you care about his choice of religion and how much he gives to the church each month? As others have posted, he's a nob. Can't see where the religion comes into it.

Erwin,

My point is, he was going out his way to tell people the impossible can't be done just illusion but yet believes in something equally as impossible but believes that 100% without fault.

Not got any "irks" about his faith, just interested in others views