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Just reading through a free magic download where someone is explaining a new trick he has come up with, its very good but in order to do so he tells how someone elses trick is done and moves on from there.

Not sure if this is the done thing but I thought it was a bit out of order. Thoughts?

was it 'someone elses trick' or did that someone else take it from another someone else?

I generally disagree with exposing people's intellectual property

it becomes difficult when you 'create' a trick that is based on someone elses or uses their moves

I do think some of the exposers on Youtube need to be put down

some of them are exposing for the sake of exposing, it's as if they cannot be bothered to learn the trick and the moves / sleights involved properly, they will never have the balls to actually go out and perform to real people, so instead post a half ass performance on YouTube and tell everyone the secret that wasn't theirs to tell in the first place

I will very rarely watch a performance clip on YouTube because 9 times out of 10 their is a reveal / tutorial in the related videos

I will certainly not be posting any clips on there

(Mancunian Lee all I can think about when I look at your avatar is you sitting on the toilet)

Can't for the life of me wonder why someone would want to show someone else
how a trick is done.
Especially if it's cost you time, & money to learn it in the first place.

When asked, & I often am, I just say. "It's magic"
Much more of a buzz than showing them.



CArl.....

I think if your describing a move or principle that's based on something of someone elses then it's ok to explain your move as long as you credit the creator. But if you're just coping someone elses effect or part of it then I'd usually just point the reader to the original explaination and possibly offer an alternative in it's place.

Lady of Mystery wrote:I think if your describing a move or principle that's based on something of someone elses then it's ok to explain your move as long as you credit the creator. But if you're just coping someone elses effect or part of it then I'd usually just point the reader to the original explaination and possibly offer an alternative in it's place.

I think its expanding on someone elses effect, ive not got the other effect but I now know how its done.

Mancunian Lee wrote:

Lady of Mystery wrote:I think if your describing a move or principle that's based on something of someone elses then it's ok to explain your move as long as you credit the creator. But if you're just coping someone elses effect or part of it then I'd usually just point the reader to the original explaination and possibly offer an alternative in it's place.

I think its expanding on someone elses effect, ive not got the other effect but I now know how its done.

Do they credit the original effect / inventor?

I am completely okay with exposing things so old they are in the public domain. I am completely okay with exposing what you created yourself. Exposing something that is the creation of someone else is never okay without permission, until the normal passage of time has passed. And that is measured in decades, not years.

JammyT wrote:

Mancunian Lee wrote:

Lady of Mystery wrote:I think if your describing a move or principle that's based on something of someone elses then it's ok to explain your move as long as you credit the creator. But if you're just coping someone elses effect or part of it then I'd usually just point the reader to the original explaination and possibly offer an alternative in it's place.

I think its expanding on someone elses effect, ive not got the other effect but I now know how its done.

Do they credit the original effect / inventor?

Yes, had to go back to read it to be sure though

I've been thinking about this a lot today and I'm having a bit of a head battle

Someone made me aware of a site that ... well it sells sleights moves and tricks without the creator's permission, some of which not being 'so old they are in the public domain'.

Some of you may be thinking, so what? I know that there are plenty of sites out there that do it and that there are also plenty of 'magicians' that offer online tuition either on skype, downloadable video tuition or even one to one, again, sometimes and often material that is not theirs to sell or not 'so old they are in the public domain'.

But the particular way this site sells its tuition (attempts to rip you off) is ... (to me) quite dodgy? wrong erm, out of order. You pay installments amounting to $200 if you want all of the volumes of downloadable video tuition, they do credit these moves on their site but I very strongly doubt the permission from anyone has been sought.

What is the 'unwritten law' or if any, actual law when it comes to making money from other people's work, ideas, tricks, moves, sleights or intellectual property?

JammyT wrote: What is the 'unwritten law' or if any, actual law when it comes to making money from other people's work, ideas, tricks, moves, sleights or intellectual property?

To some it would be item number eight on a list of ten:

Thou shall not steal

For many of the basic sleights and moves, the books and DVDs which teach them are relatively low cost, libraries will supply many of them for nothing and a local magic club or society will provide ample opportunity for one person to teach another. No sense in paying hundreds of $, £, € or whatever to learn the same things!

Mandrake wrote:No sense in paying hundreds of $, £, € or whatever to learn the same things!

this is a philosophy I adopted very quickly

so many fantastic books in my local library, I'm very lucky and for a 50p fee can transfer a book from anywhere in the county

Many people do it just to show how clever they are .Revealing or exposing other peoples methods is entirely unacceptable unless it is "common knowledge", known to the multitude.
There are two ways to have the biggest house in town. One is to build it, the other is to destroy all the others.
Exposure is like the second option.
Ronny