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Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Yano » Apr 17th, '12, 19:10



I'm trying to find a switching device similar to the "Platt Pad", as in you don't need to place the switch items in a object, e.g. pocket, wallet. I need to be able to switch them in plain sight.

Does such an item exist? Is there any wallets which has switching on the outside of the wallet? E.g. Not having to put the items directly inside to switch. I do own saw, mullia wallet and another. Or any other organic switch devices.

Does JB Magics switch a roo require a reset? Can the reset be done instantly in front of the spectator?

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby daleshrimpton » Apr 17th, '12, 20:57

do you want to switch a folded card, or an unfolded card?

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby bmat » Apr 17th, '12, 21:32

Yano wrote:I'm trying to find a switching device similar to the "Platt Pad", as in you don't need to place the switch items in a object, e.g. pocket, wallet. I need to be able to switch them in plain sight.

Does such an item exist? Is there any wallets which has switching on the outside of the wallet? E.g. Not having to put the items directly inside to switch. I do own saw, mullia wallet and another. Or any other organic switch devices.

Does JB Magics switch a roo require a reset? Can the reset be done instantly in front of the spectator?


Switch A Roo is a gimmick that goes in your shirt pocket and is good for switching out a packet of cards. Not what you are for. Must go in pocket.

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Part-Timer » Apr 17th, '12, 23:18

Yano, exactly what do you want to do? You ask quite a lot of questions like this and in this case it would make life a lot easier if we knew what conditions you have before spending too much time. The Cards Switcher by Eduardo Kozuch fits your description, but I suspect it won't suit you to have a card stand. I can think of a few ways of doing this, one of which probably would not suit you, as the switched cards would not be examinable.

Another is a version of the coin tray you could make yourself out of some kind of book or pad (I don't think this is exposure, as one needs to know what a coin tray is, and how it works). I have a feeling someone might have marketed a similar device a little while ago, and come to think of it a very famous mentalist uses something similar in one of his old tricks. I cannot say more because I don't want to tip his method. He didn't use it for a switch as such, but I think it could be.

The third idea requires something like a small pad, possibly with some kind of elastic band round it, and misdirection. I have no source for this; it just seems obvious to me. I am sure it must be in print somewhere as the idea is so simple.

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Yano » Apr 18th, '12, 03:52

I need to switch a whole packet of business cards. Unfolded

Yes switch a roo is in the pockets, but i was planning to use it for another trick i was thinking, But it needed to be able to reset instantly in front of the spectator. Is it only a one time switch?

My conditions are the same as Platt Pad, i need to switch the cards in an offbeat instantly, like just hold a wallet for 1 second to hand of the card on top etc, woteva alternativve there is to the platt pad. I was just wondering if there are alternative products that achieve almost the same thing.

I only will collect the card and put it in my hand, i wont rubberband, etc the cards.

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby midge25 » Apr 18th, '12, 08:28

There is something in a Barrie Richardson book that would probably work, thinkit may be in Act 2

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby magicofthemind » Apr 18th, '12, 08:57

midge25 wrote:There is something in a Barrie Richardson book that would probably work, thinkit may be in Act 2


Yes it is in Act Two - the Hellis switch. No device required, just two hands.

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Lady of Mystery » Apr 18th, '12, 09:31

Do you need to do a full packet switch or can you get away with a partial switch?

One of my favourite (not really a switch but does the same job) is the one used by Ed Fowler during his ESP routine in Carlyle Touch 2. It's a lovely, in the hand 'switch' but may or may not fit your needs.

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Yano » Apr 18th, '12, 15:47

I need a full packet switch

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Part-Timer » Apr 18th, '12, 23:15

Yano wrote:Yes switch a roo is in the pockets, but i was planning to use it for another trick i was thinking, But it needed to be able to reset instantly in front of the spectator. Is it only a one time switch?


A is replaced by B. You could switch B back for A, but how many times could a modest sized item switch out something and replace it with something else without some kind of reset?

My conditions are the same as Platt Pad, i need to switch the cards in an offbeat instantly, like just hold a wallet for 1 second to hand of the card on top etc, woteva alternativve there is to the platt pad. I was just wondering if there are alternative products that achieve almost the same thing.

I only will collect the card and put it in my hand, i wont rubberband, etc the cards.


I may regret asking this, but why? Is there a genuine reason or is it just magician vanity?

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Yano » Apr 19th, '12, 03:56

Part Timer my reason for switching without putting the cards inside a wallet/object to switch is because there wouldnt be any reason to put the cards inside. My effect is similar to the 8 card brainwave, they pick one i put that aside, i would gather the other cards (no reason to gather really but theres no way for me to 100% force them to pick the force card if the pack was genuinely differnt, no fancy number force or counting force or whateva, i dont really like that style). Why would i collect the cards then place it inside my wallet then to take them out to show again?

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Part-Timer » Apr 19th, '12, 12:33

I fully understood why you didn't want to have to put cards into a wallet or something like that. It was the other restrictions you were imposing that seemed less clear, that's why I quoted your comment about having to change the packet instantly and not even wanting to use a rubber band. If you won't use a band, why would you use a pad or anything else? Sounds like you need a sleight-based solution or perhaps some kind of hold-out. You might have been thinking along the right lines with the Switch-A-Roo. Perhaps you shouldn't do this trick alongside the other one that needs to use that gadget, but as part of a different routine? Maybe the other trick could use a different method.

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Yano » Apr 20th, '12, 04:17

I do think the platt pad is great. But to me its not really a organic object as i dont really use pads for my routines. I was hoping for a wallet or something else (As i use the idea of if I can't do it, you will win X amount of money).

When you mean using a rubber band, your refering to the jugglemonkey First Hand? If so, yes i've considered it. But its more a removal, then a whole packet switch. Well with a hold out and add on i guess it could work.

Thanks for everyones input.

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Re: Switching Device (Business Cards/Playing Cards)

Postby Flood » Apr 20th, '12, 14:09

I think David Stone's tool may be helpful to your routine.It's an extremely versatile gimmick that I use all the time for various different routines.It allows you to do secret moves during routines along with visual magic too

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