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Hi guys,

So', at the moment I'm in the middle of creating a 3 phase routine, which utilises 3 different spectators to take part , here are the basic details -

1, ESP cards are introduced to the 1st spec , they shuffle them and choose one ( no one knows which symbol has been selected....... Well..... ).

2, next a deck of playing cards is introduced to the table , the 2nd spectator shuffles them and selects a card ( again no one knows)

3, a book is then introduced , a page is chosen and the first few words remembered, ...... Then I read their mind blah blah and then I write something down and place it on the table face down.

All spectators choices are revealed and tadaaaaa all specs choices match my predictions !!!



Soooo here's the thing, I feel that part 1 and 3 are actually quite clean in method but part 2 is not - well to my full liking.

I know a handful of card forces and the use of forcing decks but I want something that is clean and something that can be inspected preferably. I had an idea to use a ' time force' ? But then the cards could only be shuffled by me .. Soo hmmmmm.

Any ideas will be greatly welcomed

A one-way force deck?
T.

Use an extractor. They can shuffle and have a completely free choice, they can seal the card back in the deck, there can be no way in the specs mind that you know the card.

Or, use a short card on top of the deck. They can't shuffle but it'll appear very fair. It's free if you don't have an extractor!! PM if you want to know my handling for this.

Behind the back forces are also very fair, if a little difficult to handle.

K

What about holding the deck up for the spectator to peek a card, then glimpse their selection as you hand them the deck to hold on to?
It is fair because it is a free choice and they can change their mind if they want to.

I presume you are planning on always using your own deck (because it is unlikely the spectator will carry an esp deck), so why not use marked cards?

If you are satisfied with the method for the ESP phase, why can't you use the same or similar method? ESP cards aren't so different from playing cards...

Sam

Have a look at Smart Ass by Bill Abbott. Its pricey but in my opinion one of the cleanest forces available.

One way force deck is very fair and it is never that people look enough at it to find the secret.

I would also suggest a one way deck.
Though if you want to be able to give the rest of the deck a show then a pop eyed popper would be my way.

While not entirely clear, I think that this is just a recast form of a certain classic principle, with some distractions in the final phase. As such, it is a prediction effect and must use one of the two (well, maybe there are three) basic principles for predictions!

I think that the trick actually goes like this:

M writes down something (we'll call it P1). ESP card selected by S1, and not seen (at least by the performer).
M writes down something else (P2). S2 chooses a playing card, again not seen.
M gets S3 to choose a page from a book. P does some mind reading, then writes down a third thing (P3).

The three predictions are looked at and P1 names the ESP symbol S1 chose, P2 has the playing card S2 chose and P3 (I assume) names something like the chosen page number or a specific word from the page. I suppose that P3 is not necessarily a prediction, but could be mind reading.

I quite like the suggestion for the Pop-Eyed Popper Deck (Mirage Deck would work too).

As an aside, I am not sure that mixing mind reading with a prediction is particularly good. In this case, it might be all right, but do think about how you describe P3 - is it a prediction (hence possibly undermining the mind reading aspect) or is it a written revelation of the final thought from the spectator?

If you're just after a simple force, what about the "Hindu force" ,,,,perform a Hindu shuffle and force the bottom card. I personally don't like it, but I use it on one routine, 'cos it fits in with the rest of the routine and I've NEVER been questioned about it - it appears to be a completely free choice of card.
My personal card force, which I use all the time, is the "back-slip force". Some people don't like it, but it's down to personal choice and I've NEVER been caught out using this force

THE GRAMMAR IN THE TITLE HURTS MY BRAIN OW

shuffleshuffle wrote:THE GRAMMAR IN THE TITLE HURTS MY BRAIN OW

That's the most caps lockest reply I've seen this week.

MatCult wrote:

shuffleshuffle wrote:THE GRAMMAR IN THE TITLE HURTS MY BRAIN OW

That's the most caps lockest reply I've seen this week.

Now now guys, this is just getting more stupider

(annoyingly I cannot find a suitable opposite quantitive word of "fewer")

haha brilliantest good thread

Bear in mind that lessest is usually morest.

Why not go with the force you are most comfortable with? This idea of a perfect and honest force really is a joke. If the spectator does not know the card is being forced, then they simply don't know, the method doesn't matter. Like wise if you perform a poorly executed force then they know what you are up too, again method doesn't matter. So what has worked for you in the past? What are you most comfortable using? That is the one you want. Cross cut force is easiest, Hindu comes to a pretty close second. If you can manage a classic force, (which you can with a little confidence) then that would be your best bet. If you can use a gimmicked deck in the routine then obviously the one way deck is the easiest.

None are Fair. If they were it wouldn't be a force.