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concealing coins without your hands...

Postby naychandler1 » Oct 27th, '13, 14:14



before i start constructing my trouser belt into a coin carrier, are there other ways of concealing coins in which you can get to from only from behind you?

its for an effect where a spectator can use any one of their coins (without me verbally trying to force a coin) and i can swap it from behind my back .


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Re: concealing coins without your hands...

Postby daleshrimpton » Oct 28th, '13, 21:45

shove a magnet in a pocket, and use that as a hold out.

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Re: concealing coins without your hands...

Postby jim ferguson » Oct 29th, '13, 02:02

That was similar to my first thought as well Dale, but the more I thought about it the more problems I seen. Then I began thinking about the the OPs actual intent and again, the more I thought about it the more problems I seen (if I have the intended effect correctly).

The holdout would mean purchasing four (actually six - more on this in a moment) gimmicked coins. Only four of our eight circulated coins (discounting the five pound coin) are "attractive".

Naychandler1 - you mention that the purpose of this is to switch a borrowed coin for one of your own behind your back. And that this coin can be freely chosen by the spectator from their own change, with no force. Now I'm assuming the coin you want to switch in is of the same denomenation as the borrowed coin ? If I'm mistaken here and its a switch for a different coin all together then what I'm about to say won't apply. I'm also assuming that the spectator will clearly see the coin both before it is handed to you and some time after your hands are brought forwards again. Now if both these assumption are correct then I can see a major problem.

We have nine coins in circulation in the UK. The five pound coin, being more uncommon could be ommited here, leaving you with eight. However four of these have two kinds which are distinctly different - 1p, 2p, 5p and 10p. The ones and twos have those which are like new, bright and shiny. Then there are those which are brown, with no shine at all. The diffference between the two is immedietley obvious. Then we have the five and ten pences. Lately these can be classed in two distinct categories - the nice new shiny ones which are flooding the place and the old ones. The difference between these is very noticable as well.

This means that to cover every coin that could possibly be given, you're going to have to have a total of twelve coins concealed behind your back - otherwise you could run the risk of the switch being noticed, if one of the above four are chosen.

Now you may be aware of all this and have a way around it. Or you may indeed be planning on holding out twelve coins in your belt. If so just ignore my ramblings. It was just what came to mind whilst pondering your post.


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Re: concealing coins without your hands...

Postby naychandler1 » Oct 29th, '13, 19:05

Jim, thankyou for your reply.

your advice wasnt just rambles, i had actually thought about the problem of different shaded coins before hand and it is a good point to consider. But ive come to the conclusion that maybe i'll just take a risk on this one, just say they happened to pull out a coin which looked like the seafront of southend compared to my exotic bora bora beach then maybe i could just go into another effect which use's a coin :-D

perhaps ill post up a picture of the finished loading belt too.



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Re: concealing coins without your hands...

Postby daleshrimpton » Oct 29th, '13, 21:27

I think that, if i were to need to have that many choices of coin, rather than hiding them behind my back, I would have them in an indexed hold out inside a jacket, That way, in the action of placing something back into my inside pocket, i would select the required coin, and drop it into the top of the sleeve. It could then sit there, until you needed to steal it. then it would slip down the sleeve, and into the hand.

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Re: concealing coins without your hands...

Postby naychandler1 » Oct 29th, '13, 21:29

:-O Excellent idea dale !!

but how would i start off with fixing up a coin index,? or could i buy a multiple polymer coin sleeve and cut a section from that to hide within my jacket do you think?

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Re: concealing coins without your hands...

Postby daleshrimpton » Oct 29th, '13, 21:52

try this......two strips of wide flat elastic, stitched face to face, in various places, which creates coin shaped pockets. safety pin on the top, and the bottom.

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Re: concealing coins without your hands...

Postby naychandler1 » Oct 29th, '13, 21:58

nice one Dale , will certainly give this a go now !
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Re: concealing coins without your hands...

Postby jim ferguson » Oct 29th, '13, 22:46

If you're going the route Dale suggested (which is a good one) and are looking for a suitable switch, the Pumpkin Seed Vanish would fit perfectly here. The technique can be found in the sleeving chapter in Bobos - it can be used as a vanish or as a switch. If done correctly it looks like you simply pass the coin from your right hand to your left.
After the switch you will be back in the same position you were at the start, which means you are ready to swith back at any time should you wish.


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