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Thanx Stephen ....

Yeah I saw that page...+1 for idea but is there a market for something like this?I would rather spend some time, money and energy into making my own vid...which want be maybe so professional but it will be mine

yes, i keep thinking about if i should get one or not!

This could also be described as "seducing the customer" as and in my country is prohibited by law...

But in DVDs like BTF, Oz teaches the DL, LePaul spread, etc. I don't see any credits of these (unless it was because I couldn't be bothered reading the credits, but that's besides the point! lol).

Penguin Magic does many instant downloads like Do as I do but I don't see any credit of other people's works.

Again, books like RRTCM... no credits. And in RRTCM, many, many sleights are taught.

I'm not sure but I think well known sleights that have unknown histories are allowed to be taught??

StEvEbO!

Those are allowed. Look at '10 ways to force a card' DVD no credit is given.

Everyone that I asked about this couldn’t believe I was asking such a question. You really need to talk with each magician before you use there material in a video.
If you don’t, you’re going to create a problem for your self in the magic world.

The best way to contact them is to email them. You never know they may want to be in it too.

Good luck,

All the Best,
Sandi

In other words, you need to get your allowance from the author/creator him/herself.

Here's a couple of thoughts reguarding the issue. While watching Greg Wilson's Pyrokinetic Pasteboards, Greg mentions a few tricks created by other authors, but continues as if it doesn't matter. For example, in one of his tricks called Flashback he clearly states that he performs Jay Sankey's time travel trick and this seems to originate for it. There are quite a few times when he talks about taking tricks form other magicians.

Also a bit about Banachek and Morgan. Morgan in his Liquid Metal claims to have recieved permition from Banachek to perform his bending which is a modified version of Pyschokinetic Silverware style bends.

Yes, I would love to make money of selling magic. When people spit out that ever popular comment, "How did you do that!" I respond by saying that "I'm not just going to give it away! But I do however sell some of my tricks." Normally they don't bother. And that is how it should be. If they don't want to buy them (and I give big discounts) and simply want to know the secret free, they have no place in learning it. However those, who truly want to learn and perform it will gladly pay the cheap price.

But I am conserned with the copyright issue as you are.

I admit that I'm posting a few to many but i have many thoughts on this problem. If you read my previous post this is a bit more in detail. One trick I'm trying to sell off is my variation of Sam Webster's Nemesis. But when does it become mine to pawn off. Like how much modifiying makes it different. I even changed the title. If i simply say:

"This is my variation of a trick called Nemesis oringinally created by Sam Webster from the UK. (Name the new title)"

Is it free to claim as my own creation and thus sell at my own will like Greg Wilson. Also I am recently in the process of creating a so-called Viper Cut based off De'vo's Cobra Cut. They clearly look simler but have their own differences here and there. So is it mine. Or is it a future law-suit from De'vo.

Maybe if I show you a video you'll be able to help me out. So give me a little while to post the clip in File Sharing.

Now in an earlier post someone brought up other DVD's that sold gave off many tricks such as Born to Perform, and they didn't state to have permission. Could any of this be realted to the FAIR USE policy instead of copyright laws.

Also much earlier on, it was mentioned tricks such a cups and balls. Such magic relates to the 70 year rule. This states that 70 years after the oringinal created dies, any off his creations and copyrights don't apply and are free to any public use or claims. One example is the Svengali deck which was created in 1909 by Burling Hull. In the present age nobody has to give him credit at all, however at this point because it is so old, nobody can really say they invented it.

All these posts are probably frying your minds about now, but please take the time to read all four posts.

Just to confirm the above, i checked and things like the Svengali, you can produce your own DVD, so this is why many magicians sell the deck with their own DVD.

If there are any Seniour Magicians out there, please help answer my questions as they are a big issue!!!

Blade - as I said before - if you are creating tricks that are variations of existing effects, you will need to contact the owner/creator of the effect.

I have seen dvd's that don't mention creators - and I have also seen the John Guastaferro and Ammar DVD's where they BOTH cite the inventors, and in some cases even mention that they were given permission to use the effect.

If it's a relatively new effect, you need to check out who created the basis for your variation, and show it to them for permission to use and sell. Your best bet will be to contact a lawyer who has knowledge of intellectual property rights. Their expertise will be more helpful than anyone elses.

Rune, any luck contacting Murpheys.
Seems no one is 100% positive on this topic.

Ninja wrote:Rune, any luck contacting Murpheys.
Seems no one is 100% positive on this topic.

Well my post is above