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GoldFish wrote:

i1011i wrote:My favorite force is to just ask someone to think of their favorite card and to tell them what it is when you see the eye accessing cues start moving.

I hate to say it, but you can't "force" a card via eye accessing cues. Eye accessing cues simply are not reliable enough. The most you would be able to tell from eye accessing cues is whether a person is telling the truth or not; they are very specific to answering questions.

However, if you were to ask somebody to think of a card and then ask them whether their card is the "x of y" you could probably use eye accessing cues in combination with other techniques (eg "reading body language") to tell whether it is or not. Then all you have to do is run through all the suits and all the values until you hit upon their chosen card.

It sounds horribly complicated but its not really. You just need a sharp eye and a bit of common sense.

Forcing a card "psychologically" is a completely different matter and that "dude" as you so eloquently put it, has some wonderful methods of forcing a card in print. I suggest you look them up.

Dear Mr.

I do not say that I force the card VIA eye accessing cues. Nor do I say he does not have some great psychological forces. Get off your high chair and go back and re-read my post. Then post again without falling victem to presuppositions.

If you notice, my statement has more than 1 meaning and it is intended. Those who do not know what I am talking about will read it one way, and those who know what I am talking about will read it another. One person will thing I mean one thing, while the other will totally get it. If you know alot of the basis behind Mr Browns work you will know exactly what I mean when you read it right. But you will always be wrong when you read the right thing if you read the right thing wrong.

1011

If you miust use a force deck then what you call the half and half ie the Al Baker Force deck always looks natural. You fan the bottom half of the deck casually showing a mixed up deck. Close it up, Fan the top half(all alike) and they choose. Keep tight hold of the bottom half and mark [u]with a dot in the top corner of your last force card so you know how far to fan. Do the same at the other end of the card. With the one way etc. you can't show the faces of the cards.
As said by others learn to do about 3 convincing forces with a normal deck and these 3 [/u][YOU need to be comfortable and relaxed with.
The 'easiest' are indeed the slip, the hindu shuffle and the cross cut. The late Francis Haxton once taught me, as a boy, a simple force. The deck was shuffled. He used a short card and brought it to the top; you could simply glimpse the top card. Ask for a number between say 1 and 12.The deck is held facing the audience and you count 1(pushing off TWO cards.) then 2 , 3, 4 etc until the number before theirs. When you slide that card over, your thumb pushes the force card onto the deck so the next number, theirs, is your force card. However you [/u]must establish a rhythm in the count, so the hands move at the same pace and there is NO HESITATION when you slip the force card over.
Hundreds of forces are contained in the Lewis Jones Book Of Forcing. And there's the old still useful book ny Annemann 202 methods Of Forcing.
Allen Tipton[/u]

I think my favourite force is this one. I'm afraid I can't remember the name, or give credit. I am just getting ready to go out on the town =oP

Card to be forced is 4th from the top. Spread the cards over, and cull the 4th card... then simply ask them to put a finger on the back of any card. When they do that, square up show them the culled card. I have never had anyone think this was suspicious! =o)

~Sym~

Symtal wrote:I think my favourite force is this one. I'm afraid I can't remember the name, or give credit. I am just getting ready to go out on the town =oP

Card to be forced is 4th from the top. Spread the cards over, and cull the 4th card... then simply ask them to put a finger on the back of any card. When they do that, square up show them the culled card. I have never had anyone think this was suspicious! =o)

~Sym~

I like that idea. Or just use a stacked deck and make it look like you forced it. Woot!

1011

My fave force is where you stick their card to the end of your finger using magicians wax and then spread the cards and wiggle it about in front of the spectators face so that it catches their eye and they take that one!! Im kidding.

I like the deeper cut force (at least, i think thats what its called). Ive never been found out using that and its fairly simple and the spec thinks it was a free choice because i get them to do all the work!

Svengali for me!

Blade Master wrote:Svengali for me!

Are you serious? I really wish I hadn't spent my money on a svengali to be honest with you. There is a cooler type of deck similar to that, I believe the svengali is part of the same deck family... Grr I can't remember the name, but it's basicly 2 half decks put together kinda deal, and one is *ahem* something...

Anywho, I think that if you ever force a card, alternate between forces, it's good to know how to do lots. Classic force is great when you figure out the timing, I also like the backslip force, angly but good, riffle force is so simple and effective, Rune showed me a neat force that I really like, there's plenty of good forces, I mean hindu shuffle force even works on lay people very well.

Point is, if you can do a trick with a certain slight that can be differently, alternate between them, practice it all so you become better all around, I mean hey I have a favourite DL, and I don't like doing the strike, but I do it, because knowing how to do it and doing it properly are good things to know.

Thats my 2 cents

i use my force decks only for a GAG between magicians or normal specs:

i insert a different card in a force deck and i classicforce this card. Then i lose and i produce the different card in some way ( 1 klimax) . After i spread the deck in order to meke notice of strange coincidence...

Well, you could do this but it seems like it's just revealing the idea of having a one-way force deck...I mean, it may sound silly but with a good deck switch it allows for some really strong effects. Why not just do a face-up classic force, with the one red card in a blue-backed deck? Just as good, if not better, an effect and it doesn't reveal the one-way force deck.

Kati

you are right. in effect i do this between magicians...

and thanks for your hints my friend!

i1011i wrote:

GoldFish wrote:

i1011i wrote:My favorite force is to just ask someone to think of their favorite card and to tell them what it is when you see the eye accessing cues start moving.

I hate to say it, but you can't "force" a card via eye accessing cues. Eye accessing cues simply are not reliable enough. The most you would be able to tell from eye accessing cues is whether a person is telling the truth or not; they are very specific to answering questions.

However, if you were to ask somebody to think of a card and then ask them whether their card is the "x of y" you could probably use eye accessing cues in combination with other techniques (eg "reading body language") to tell whether it is or not. Then all you have to do is run through all the suits and all the values until you hit upon their chosen card.

It sounds horribly complicated but its not really. You just need a sharp eye and a bit of common sense.

Forcing a card "psychologically" is a completely different matter and that "dude" as you so eloquently put it, has some wonderful methods of forcing a card in print. I suggest you look them up.

Dear Mr.

I do not say that I force the card VIA eye accessing cues. Nor do I say he does not have some great psychological forces. Get off your high chair and go back and re-read my post. Then post again without falling victem to presuppositions.

1011

Man I hate to say it, but you are very wrong and rude!
When u start by saying "my favourite force" I would have thought you were saying, you thought that was a force???

Does the word force mean something different to you?

Steve Dela