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kems wrote:I still dont think the price is justified, there site tells you pretty much all you need to know about it, I could go and buy *something a similar size that is ment for a different job and make one small modification an have a version of this for under a tenner.

Im probably gonna get flamed for posting this and I wont go and make one but im just saying £200 is a lot of money £50 would be a fairish price (with the dvd)

No I agree. Now I know what it is, I think I might just make one myself.

Would I be right in saying that the trick with telling the spectator which hand the coin is in, is going to fail if Note from Mods: If you've worked out how the item works then you'll know that this is not really something which can be asked or answered in an open forum.

timk, basically you want us to tell you how it all works so that you can go and make it up yourself and you expect us to help you?????

My bet is you won't have anything nearly as good, but then you will never know will you.

Pricing is a big problem with all magic tricks. I have spent hundreds of pounds on books. Some are £20 or £30 for little more than a leaflet!

But I have always rationalised that it is the price you pay for informaiton, sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. If a leaflet teaches you one good trick that you will use for the rest of your life then it is worth it.

I am not aware of devices that do the same thing as the 2020 for £10, and if there are any, as you say, then why do think that it is worth £50? Surely it is only worth £10 like all the others?

The 2020 lets me do tricks I couldn't do any other way. I could get a friend of mine with skills in this area to make me one but what's the point? It will last me years and if I were a professional magician it would pay for itself in a short time.

This is all about the difference between cost and value.

Roland wrote:I am not aware of devices that do the same thing as the 2020 for £10,

Not a device ment for magic but could be adapted.... as a AH I would pay £50 for the 2020 but £200 is out my hobby money!!

thats what I ment buy the pricing, I would be happy to pay £50 for the device & dvd. but if i really wanted to try this and the options where £200 or try to make it yourself for a £10 i would have ago.. i might fail! but not much of a lose!

as a AH I would pay £50 for the 2020 but £200 is out my hobby money!!

This is not a trick for the hobbyist, it is for the professional magician performing on stage and it's priced accordingly.

I think that this is exactly what kems is saying; if he were a proffesional then he would have no problem with spending the money on it, but since he is not and therefore won't recoup the cost then he would rather have a go at making one.

Certainly this device is for the proffesional, but the trick could be for anyone.

Well one could argue for most tricks being for anyone, but some effects are aimed at purely the professional magician, they are not intended to be performed by anyone and everyone, sometimes they are even severely limited to the professional maybe only 100 being sold. There are reasons for this. This particular trick is one aimed for professional use and personally I doubt this could be made easily and cheaply as suggested.
There are millions of effects aimed at the hobbyist already made and marketed and would not involve ripping anyone off, I suggest following that route.

Actually, after giving it some thought, I am thinking of buying it rather than making one. Mostly because I haven't got the time to adapt one.

However, I am concerned that you say this is only for professional magicians. I am most certaintly not one of them but knowing what this device is, I see no reason why I could not use it.

Please could you explain why, as a beginner, I shouldn't buy this and use it. I am sure my performances would be nowhere near as good as even an experienced magician let alone a professional one but I see no reason why I could not make use of it if well concealed.

I just really like the idea of this and the possibilities it brings. Some may say I am trying to run before I can walk.

Ok, well technically there is no reason that you couldn't perform this, ideally it is an effect that works well on stage and for that reason suits the professional but that's not to say it couldn't be done in more of a close up environment. If you real feel it is the effect you want then there is no reason why you shouldn't buy it, but you could get an awful lot of good stuff for the same money. You may well be able to buy it cheaper via ebay, so that may be a consideration, I bought both mine there and got them for a similar price as I would have paid for one.
Having said that if I were you I'd spend my money elsewhere for now as I think you will get more for your money, so for example since you like mentalism I suggest you buy the DVD set "Get Nyman" you will learn a whole host of nice effects for massively less money. There are a number of other great DVDs on mentalism and no shortage of good books, all of these will give you so much more for your money as someone just starting out.

The other thing is that you can buy it for about £175, but if you don't like it, you could sell it on here and get most of your money back.

But I agree, that if you are only spending £175, it would be better to get a set of books and DVDs rather than just one trick. You could buy 6 £30 'leaflets' like I am sometimes persuaded to do

the leyser2020 website has a good description of what the gimmick looks like.
it's important these days to show the buyer what they will be getting for their money. avoids disappointment

Well I took the advice of some of you and spent my money on some DVDs instead. Got the Easy To Master Card Miracles Vol 1-3 and Vol 1 of The Art Of Card Manipulation, Danial Garcia's Torn, and Get Nyman.

Could keep me going for a long time and a better invenstment at present than just one gimmick.

Thanks everyone for your help.

I would have to say I am very disappointed with mine, there are numerous points, firstly the DVD supplied does not work in my DVD player, this is because it's just a burnt DVD done on someones computer, I would have thought for the money they could have had a proper DVD made for them instead of a home burn, it works ok on my computer though, so at least I got to watch it.

Second point, there was meant to be something included within one of 2 supplied envelopes, there wasn't... just 2 empty envelopes.

Third the DVD states this can be used with the specs hands facing the floor, it can't, the hands need to pointing up the way, at least with my one anyway. Works fine with the hands facing up, but this was supposed to be the improvement over the Mk1 version.

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