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I was thinking before about the many discussions on TM about the pass and how the same thing can be achieved by simpler methods.

Isn't that the same with the classic foorce - which I think is a very strange way to have a card selected, I don't spread the cards like that if I'm not forcing, I hold the cards still. Surely there are better forces.

That's all I've just never heard it said about the classic force.

In fact the classic force is one of the strongest ways to force a card. Why? because is pshychological details. The handling, very natural, very smooth, very relax. You start to spread the cards and you says to a spectator. Take a card, anycard. (is very important say: take a card or pick a card, never "choose" a card) in that moment is only timming, you must place in there fingers the card to be force, without fear. If your handling is natural the spectator will never think: he made me choose that card. A very good tip, when you already force the card you say: you want to change your card? They always says not... and in the spectator head the remember will be something like: the magician says to me: "choose" a card , anycard (the difference of perception is because you introduce false clues to create a fake memory about what happen realy during the rutine, (La vía mágica, Juan Tamariz book) and then he ask me if i want to change it... Try it, and another cover technique is call "conditional naturality" and is something like this: you always must do exactly the same movement in a true manouver and in a secret manouver, 4 example when you do a DL you must do a single lift exactly in the same way... so if you need to force a card (in the classic way) in your fifth effect, in all the other effects (1, 2 , 3, 4, 6, 7 ,8) you must ask to spectator to select a card exactly in the same way you do it the classic force. So when the spectator see that way to select a card 5 times in one rutine, a strange movement becomes natural, only because you do it all the time. Sorry 4 my english XD
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i agree with what you say BUT hardly any magicians I know pread the cards in the way the do for a classic firce so it isnt nutural. They do a LePaul spread or just spread them out but still so when they force it sticks out like a sore thumb. Also, there are other methods sometimes I have a card selected through riffling or from a Hindu Shuffle so when i force using those techniques it all looks natural.

The pass isn't a force. It can be used as an out for when the classic force (or any force) messes up.

With the pass the spec can freely select a card and in true AC style it invisbily returns tot the top of the deck.

The spec can freely select a cad and you can move it to the top for a glimpse or to do whatever you want with it.

I know the pass isn't a force. my argument is that a lot of people say that a pass is not necessary and I'm saying that a classic force isn't either.

I see in which case I'd say sure they aren't neccesary but they do make for much cleaner magic.

I use the slip force when it has to be on the nail or a classic force when it doesn't.

I dont know what magicians you know but every close-up magician I've ever seen has had a spectator pick a card in that fasion. By spreading the cards out between the hands. And when most of the pro's do it you can never tell they are doing a force because it looks the same way as when they were just spreading them out like they regulary would.

Yeah but for the classic force the cards are moving a lot of people just spread them out then ask for one to be selected.

True, but that shouldn't be a problem for a spectator. I think your looking at it from more of a magicians point of view instead of a regular spectator.

Pito,

I don't know what angle you are looking at the Classic from !! Or why you have so much against it !!

Maybe you can't do it properly. The Classic is the best force there is. Done properly it looks as if there was no way on Earth you could cheat.

After, people will swear blind they had a totally free choice, there was no riffling through the cards, no turning over a bunch of cards or any other moves necessary with numerous other forces. You just spread the cards and they picked one.

Its not the best force there is for nothing !! AND like I've said before, its easy to learn. Just get in and do it.

Hi,

The Classic Force is a devastating tool, if used correctly. I am very biased, but I think it does look natural. The attitude of the magician is very important as this is what the audience peceives as, "Here, just slide out a card for yourself."

If you don't want to move the cards, then you can come close to the Classic with the Fan Force. Here the cards are spread and the FORCE card is exposed a little more than the other cards. The timing is similar and the placement of the spectator's fingers upon the card happens in the same way as the Classic.

As a performer, you need to decide how you will move the cards in a natural way. This is what dictates your ability to Classic or not to Classic. It works for me!

Regards,

Paul (Just because I do it does not mean that it is correct for you) Green

PS Enjoy the search.

Cheers guys, Im practicing it all the time now.