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hi, can anyone help me with this sleight, im tryin to learn it from royal road but i can t understand how you can cover it up properly when doing the sleight, and the cards between my pinky and fingers keep slipping.

PLease help!
thanks

I believe there is a good video by Richard Kaufmann on the pass, may wel be worth looking up.

It is tough to give advice on a forum such as this, as describing what to do and what the problem is is tricky. IN terms of the cards slipping, this will come with practice - grip a little harder, and just keep practicing the move! Don't forget, the pass takes a long time to master.

In terms of cover, well, the pass is never totally invisible. The best cover for it, aside from sound technique, is scripting, misdirection, and a little movement. The misdirection must be natural, and relevent to the effect. In terms of scripting, have a look at Burger's Top Change routine in Mastering the art of Magic - he shows how what you say, do and act covers the top change perfectly. You must work on what works for you - it could be as simple as saying the spectators name to have them look up - then you perfrom the pass.

However, I would not get overly hung up on the pass - too many people think the move is the be all and end all. In terms of card controls, there are plenty of other moves that will do an equal job - bluff pass, marlo tilt, DL etc etc. It is a tool to create magic, nothing more - and sometimes the pass is not the best tool for the job.

Si

That's very good advice from sj.

The only thing I would add is that if you need to ask, you probably don't need to learn the pass. You can do exactly the same thing with a double undercut and it's nearly as undetectable. And definitely don't use the pass as a top control - there's no point moving 51 cards to control 1. There are many many other moves out there that are much better for that.

Kati

I love the pass! If you get good at the pass use it how you want. It really isn't that difficult with practice. I find that there are a fair number of things to consider when doing the classic pass which is the on in RRTCM. It is not very well taught in ther (IMHO). A good source is Jay Sankey's 45 There is something done on there which makes the pass much more invisible (I don't really think I can I say exactly what that is).

Also, there are many different typesof pass. I have the Pass whith Randy Wakeman which is pretty good. I would recomend 45 though.

Every time you pickup a deck do the pass 5 - 10 times and then again before you put it down. Do it once every time you walk past a deck and you'll pick it up quickly.

Pitto

PS In terms of misdirection, I find a joke along the lines of 'don't look that close I'm not that good!' Makes people look uip at you to see if your joking or laugh and momentarily look away then you do the pass they look back and nothings changed.

I agree with Kati on this one...you can do everything withouth the pass...you should only learn it if you really really want to....although I do now use it a
lot as a colorchange or in "Triumph" to show that with only a "shake" all the cards go face up....

You can take a look at my pass here http://www.abstraktmedia.com/private/passes.wmv

You can do everything without the pass but a good pass can make it seem that all you have done is riffle the cards or shown the face card etc. Specs are a suspicious lot. The less you seem to have done the more magical the trick will appear.

Pitto

Wow those passes are (careful not to swear) very good.

Pitto, I disagree with the 'suspicious spectators' comment.

I have never had anyone want to grab the deck, question what I do, or see any 'flashes' or anything unantural at all.

I find that if you present the trick well, and it is entertaining, well scripted, and natural, they have no reason to be 'suspicious'. If you present the trick as a puzzle to be worked out, they have a reason to be suspicious, as they feel, and rightly so, that they want to figure out how it is done.

The pass is what it is - a tool. Like any tool in magic, it should not be overused. I would not recommend using it over and over again in the same set, rather use other controls and sleights to add extra layers to you effects.

Si

Just my thoughts,

Si

Oh I agree I like other controls. Another favorithe of mine is the hindu shuffle.

Spectators aren't overly suspicious (except perhaps my dad and step-dad) but they are a bit no matter how well the trick is presented. I know someone, for example, who always tells me to roll my sleeves up. I was just pointing out that with a good pass nothing seems to have happened to the deck.

Pitto

greedoniz wrote:Wow those passes are (careful not to swear) very good.

thanx

There are many controls apart from the pass that achieve the same effect - without apparently changing the order of the cards in the deck you contol the card. E.g. the side steal or convincing control (both can be found in Card College). I use convincing control a lot, it works wonders, and I do not use the pass for controlling cards at all. However there are tricks where it has to be used and nothing can replace it. I wouldn't advice going for the classic pass, though. There are many simpler passes. I recommend checking out Hermann type passes.

thanks for all your advice and posts everyone, but sum1 said that the pass cant be absolutly invisable but tht video was amazing, i couldnt even see anything unnatural going on?

That's because point's pass is absolutely NFW amazing - .

But even so, you can still just about see the pass.

The thing to remember with the pass is that technical skill is just not that important. Sure, you need to be able to to the pass so that a casual glance won't reveal the method, but it relies heavily on misdirection. Just say something funny or look away for a second while you do the pass, and it will be totally and utterly missed. Don't do it while someone's burning your hands unless you're as good as point .

Still, getting it to that kind of a level will take weeks of constant practising every time you pick up a deck. If you need to ask, you don't need to know about it. Use a double undercut and be happy.

Kati

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katrielalex wrote:That's because point's pass is absolutely NFW amazing - .

But even so, you can still just about see the pass.

The thing to remember with the pass is that technical skill is just not that important. Sure, you need to be able to to the pass so that a casual glance won't reveal the method, but it relies heavily on misdirection. Just say something funny or look away for a second while you do the pass, and it will be totally and utterly missed. Don't do it while someone's burning your hands unless you're as good as point .

Still, getting it to that kind of a level will take weeks of constant practising every time you pick up a deck. If you need to ask, you don't need to know about it. Use a double undercut and be happy.

Kati

Why do the double undercut when you can learn the pass? you said you can see points pass just about well lets see you do better then, maybe you’re just being picky?

His pass to me is the best you’re going to get it

Well done point top job