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Found this on ebay might interest someone........

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAGIC-TRICK-SUBTE ... dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MAGIC-TRICK-Cesar ... dZViewItem


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Not a bad price for Cesaral Melting Point but I've seen it from trusted magic web sites for £28 where you're not taking a chance.

I thought that the hype for the ring could have been written by the Ellusionist team. I wonder just how disapointed the eventual buyer will be disapointed?

I would NOT trust the ebay seller, just ask down2infinity. That ebay guy sold used subterfuge magic systems claiming that they were brand new. He aslo said to me it comes with the old dvd but the new magic system. He doens't make sense and is not helpfull at all. Subterfuge stopped producing the old dvds ages ago.

I WOULD RECCOMEND THAT NOBODY BUYS SUBTERUGE OFF EBAY EVER. For a start you will not get help with anything that goes wrong with it, you wil lnot get access to private forum, you will not get updated equipment and new dvds...I could go on.

Unless of course you can afford to waste £20 upwards

That's usefull advice. How about we start a listing someehre of sellers that we've had bad experience with? This culd be used as a reference system before we purchase?

i think that is a great idea! Why don't you start it dat? People could PM you with bad sellers names, or websites to avoid.

let's see what a few other think first but I'm happy to help out with it. I'll start another post on the topic later today so it doesn't hijack this one.

Well there is no real hassle of acculy looking up the sellers rep on ebay. Simply just read the negative notes and see what the trubbles been. Dont buy of anyone with less then 500 sells or somthing.

I disagee.

I've bought off a seller with excellent feedback who blatently ripped me off and then got very abusive when challenged. In fact he ripped me off twice as when he offered a refund he claimed that he didn't get the goods despite having signed for them.

Where there's a system there's a way of fiddling it. I must say that this is the exception rather than the norm but when we're ALL interested in buying magic, then it's good to have a reference point that we can trust as a guide.