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Dean Sexton gave me a great idea It might be a little to revealing though but if anyone wants to know, pm me or him. I think it's fantastic That with the Joker will work alongside great.

What are you emant to say though when you switch the card for the joker? If you put it in youre pocket, then take it out agaiin it'll be a bit weird. Or am i reading this wrong. Do oyu mean you just put it in your pocker then take the joker out at the end?

Mark- I think I understand George Blake's idea... I think.

By telling them you are setting them into an order which you think that they will deal them into, the seperation is all in your hands from there on...

Am I right?

ace of kev wrote:

mgould wrote:Why not use Lennart Green's Angle Separation?

Great move, but requires a hell of a lot of practice (in my opinion)

It's not that bad once you get the hang of it

Mark lewis wrote:

Try this:

Have a joker in your shirt or breast pocket. During the dealing process ask the spectator to give you one card that he is not sure about. Place it into the pocket and switch it for the joker leaving it protruding from the pocket. Jacket breast pocket is better than a shirt pocket for the protruding part of things.

At the end you show all the reds and blacks in the usual way and climax the thing by saying "oh you remember the card you weren't sure of? It appears to be the joker."

There. Don't say I don't give you anything.

Thats a very good idea, and the most useful post I've seen you make yet.

Delude wrote:

What are you emant to say though when you switch the card for the joker?

You aren't meant to say anything other than what Mark Lewis suggested. As you put it in your pocket you *leave it sticking out*. During this motion of putting the card in your pocket and *leaving it sticking out* you switch it for the joker.

Great idea Mark. I hope to hear more of these pearls of wisdom from you.

The ouch person is correct. That is indeed the procedure. I will give the patter when I am in the mood to do so. It will clarify the matter even further. I have been doing it this way for decades and it works very well.

Another tip with the trick is ignore the standard wisdom of counting silently until they get to the halfway point. You don't have to do this. Just put a pencil dot mark on the card which is at the halfway point. You can then patter away without having to worry if you have lost your place.

Better still do what I do. Put one card face upwards at the halfway position in the deck. When the spectator gets to it simply say "oh, that's the halfway mark. Lets continue" But of course now you switch the marker cards over as in the normal versions of the trick.

I have other tips about the presentation of this effect which is actually one of the greatest card tricks ever invented. In fact there is nothing stronger. I will detail my ideas at another time.

Taht's a good idea. I simply pencil dot the halfway card and that works

you could just use Derren's idea, and put a bow in the deck where they separate. you can do alot with that. you don't even need to do any pile switching or marker cards or anything. If you haven't seen it then look it up!

...you could always involve two people, the halfway mark indicating when to switch over in both senses of the word...

...you could use it as a test of how in tune people are with each other, or perhaps a collective conciousness, depending on your way of presenting it...

i was thinking of trying this with the symbology deck actually, the two lighter colours, then the two darker ones...you could even then pull a couple of cards out and name them before turning them over...

Here is the patter for the George Blake thing. I am giving you this not because the patter is particularly spectacular but because it will explain the effect and how the technique works.

The wonderful advantage of this method is that you can do the trick at any time without having to set up the deck secretly.

The trick should never be done as an opener. Or even early on in your performance. It should only be done when they are falling over themselves with amazement at your other material. This is because the trick is slightly longer than usual and there is a fair bit of dealing monotonly with it. The audience will stand for this tedium a little better when they think you are the greatest things since sliced bread and you can do no wrong.

And now here is the patter:

"I am going to arrange these cards in a special order. ( You say this as you arrange the deck quite openly with faces towards yourself) Now I know the order they are going into but obviously you don't. I am ging to place them in the order that you are going to deal them into in a few moments. I have figured out how you think and I have anticipated your actions."

By the time you have finished the above chatter you will have arranged the deck. You also turn one card over halfway through the deck. You do this quite openly muttering "that's the halfway mark"

Give the deck to the spectator and ask him to deal the cards in the usual way. Say" I am going to influence you to deal the cards how I want them by psychic influences. Have you ever been psychically influenced by psychic influences before? (The spectator will always say "yes"-trust me on this) Yes? It must be an interesting experience!"

Later when they deal the second half which is all black I usually say "You can shuffle them. I can still see the order with my eyes. Years of training you know" This subtlety will make them think that you didn't arrange them after all.

There is more to this but the above should at least give the idea of the George Blake presentation. The strange thing is that very few people know of this idea.

Now you do.

If you do need to start from a clean deck, you do the 'slip-slap' set up to say that you are really mixing up the cards. Simple reverse pass gets the cards back to normal, half black and half red. Double cut one card to the top and then you have your two starter cards. I have never been aught out on this trick.

I prefer to have the spec sort them for me! With patter as per one of Green's other tricks. You say "I'm going to have you seperate these cards, and time you on it. Deal them face up onto the table, everytime you come to a red card, put it off to one side. Lets see how long it takes you". Then time them!

Once they finish, you say... "15 seconds, that's pretty good". Take the cards back from them, and perform several false riffles, or whatever. Then say "Let's see how well you do without looking at the cards".

Proceed with your favourite method of OOTW....

Does anyone here ever use the version Dat suggested from Andrew Murray's Thirteen?

I personally don't think it's that good but it has the advantage that the deck can be shuffled by the spectator however they like.

Of all of the version's described here I still feel Derren Brown's is the most effective. On his video he described it as a "WORK IN PROGRESS" - I'd love to see if he ever made any improvements to it. It's already fantastic.

Having said that, the idea Mark shared with us about the Joker is a real touch of class. I'm definitely gonna try that one out. However, I don't normally do magic with a shirt pocket (I'm an amateur pub magician, normally a T-Shirt and Combats/Jeans). Anyone got any good ideas for technique on a table switch?

I performed OOTW at a gig last night and it still blows them away. Unfortunately I forgot about using the joker so I'll have to save that until next time.

First off, I ALWAYS use the pencil dot method which is part of the set up in the Tom Salinsky version but I do like the up turned card in the middle as suggested. The simpler the better in my book.

I never perform the version that's on the Thirteen DVD! I just posted this as it fitted the criteria of being able to perform with a shuffled deck. I always perform with the colours seperated as my preferred choice but as a back up I suppose that it fits the bill adequately.

magic_evmeister wrote:Anyone got any good ideas for technique on a table switch?

Top change is all I can think of... Not quite sure of the practicalities of that one though!

thanks for that cardza

A top change won't work 'cause i won't have a deck in my hand - they'll making two piles from it when I do my switch. I'm thinking I can just have them put it to one side on the table and use some of the mucking techniques i've learnt from Jeff Wessmiller's "Weapon' Of The Card Shark" (interesting DVD). Using that I can just take a look at the card saying "i'll just have a quick peak" and switch it in the motion of having a sneaky peak.