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come on guys, i know there some talent on here so will someone please give me a few tips on how to get away with the false depth inserton.

for instance when do you do the get ready for the move? what angle do you think the cards should be at (in relation to the spectator).

i have tried doing this move and sometimes have to back track and pretend it was a joke then control to 2nd top with over hand shuffling.

any ideas?

I've never had a problem with Tilt (as it is more often known), here's what I do....

Firstly, get your set up WAY in advance. There are a couple of one hand methods that you can do while your hand is at your side, casually. Try just getting a little finger break, and then pushing up with the tip of your little finger, popping the top card into position.

Generally, angle wise, you can't go far wrong with pointing the short edge of the deck at your spectators. Tilt is deceptive from straight ahead and from the left (assuming that you are right handed), as your thumb lying across the edge of the pack shields the gap. Only the right side is particularly weak, angle wise.

The most important thing? ACT CASUAL! You are placing a card into the pack - don't act like you are doing anything more. I know it is a very cheeky move, but don't have "Magician's Guilt". Treat the move casually, don't rush it, and put as little importance onto it as possible.

Hope that helps matey,

Liam.

also, just before you push the card in, move the card right down and push out a few cards in the middle of the pack before moving it back up and placing it in the deck. it just supports the idea that you're just putting the card somewhere near the middle of the pack...

Good misdirection for this is having the spec sign the card. As part of the ambitious routine, it's nice to have this as your second move followed by a pass anyway.

Card selected, put into middle, shown up on top. Card is signed, put into middle, back on top, and around and around we go. Naymeen?

Too many beers... cheers!

sorry ohminku, i don't really get you. do you mean, do the get ready when you have them sign the card....as in for the misdirection...

thanks for the advice guys, stuff i shall work on. any advice on the patter i could use??

I don't find that any misdirection is needed whatsoever. With the deck held in a deep dealers grip I usually hold the top card with the pinky and let the rest drop 1/4 inch.

This way, the top card doesn't move.

And I always do a 'false' insertion to get some cards from the middle poking out first.

In a deep dealer grip, you've got at least 120° of spectator coverage... and not just straight-on.

Tilt is one of those things that when I first found out about I thought would never work. I read about it, thought it sounded silly and obvious and forgot about it. Then I saw someone do it on a DVD and it looked really good so I decided to incorporate it into my ambitious card. I've done it so many times and never been caught, the way I set up is to just pull the top card up into position with my thumb as they're looking at the card they selected. I also always do the fake pushing out of the cards thing.

Out of interest I've heard of a false insertion from the front too. Does anyone know if this is just basically a really bold frontal Tilt or is it a totally different technique?

might be some kind of shift...

isn't this all exposure?

nope no one is saying what to do to do thge trick! and to a lay person thge mechanics grips is a type of spanner or some such!

good point