A heckle too far.... Assaulted for no reason.

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Postby magicmonkey » Jul 1st, '06, 15:34



guys, thanks for your kind words.
As much as getting this off my chest somehow so I didn't have one more thing racking my brain, I wanted you all to be made aware or possibly just reminded of being "drunk by association". Just because your friend is a muppet it doesn't necessarilt make you one, far less with a complete stranger who approached you. They had an unruly guest before I had even stepped foot in the pub!

dat, I know I was surprised at him to be honest. It was his bropther and he kept saying you gotta see things his way, but no I stuck to my guns. I understand why he couldn't say anything there, but a simple "look, he really wasn't drunk and was actually doing you guys a favour by keeping her out of trouble until you plucked up the balls to throw her out!" to his brother the next day over a cup of tea wouldn't have caused any family grievance.
As for grounds for prosectution, sadly you are probably right although not legally. As a seasoned pro pedant, I am well aware that you do not even need to make contact to commit an assault. Sure you knew this....threat of action is enough. As I said, I was heading for the door when attacked.
Cheers for the name of the SUBJECT ACCESS REQUEST FORM. I knew that they could charge no more than a tenner if they have recorded video that has your image on it and legally had to supply this, i just couldnt remember how to go about it.

Pcwizme, it is a brewery run pub, or at least a large chain. It is for this reason that the name of the pub has not been told. That letter, I think I am decided, will be heading straight to the managing director of the *****'s pub chain. I am not messing about with low rankers here.

As for putting this down to experience, I am sorely tempted, however have had much worse than this done to me in the past, and was in fact put on crutches for 3 months once for no reason by door staff (thrown down stairs and beaten to ****). I had been standing on the stair well for air as the air conditioning was not up to par and met with a bouncer having a bad day. Then, like now the police did nothing as they always side with the door no matter how well known they are for attacking guests.
Enough is enough.
They are much better regulated than they once were, however, this often just means that they can cite the correct sections from the correct acts of parliment before delivering an unprovoked attack.

Byron, as for the local paper, you're going to love this.....I work for them and we prdouce about 15 papers that cover much of North London. Time for a wee chat with editorial methinks. They're always after trying to fill the rag with more than just ads!
I did consider the surprising route of free show etc that you mention, however, I do not believe they will take to this. They do not seem very reasonable, which is a shame as it would save them much embarrasment in the long run should I seek to take this further. Also, although sometimes it can be prudent in the right situation to do so even when in the right, I have nothing to apologise for and would not. I am owed one, I shall not be giving one.

This aside, I was in town again last night. Still barred from said pub, but was in another doing the odd trick here and there till 2am and then stood with a busker outside till 4. We got quite busy! That was fun to say the least, the electric riffs brought them over and I blew them away again with a few choice effects. My main observation from last night was that while the drunk are an occupational hazard, Watford could well do with a few less coke heads.
And yes, if ecko reads this....DFL did surface a number of times ;)
I love showing that one as much as the specs enjoy seeing it!

Oh well, screw 'em if they can't take a joke I say.
gotta keep smilin' eh ;)

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Postby byron0512 » Jul 1st, '06, 16:50

Glad that you went out and carried on the performance! It takes a strong character to get out there again after such a bad experience. Good on ya!

Let us all know how this progresses!

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Postby magicmonkey » Jul 1st, '06, 17:14

Will do, cheers
Always gotta get straight back in the saddle right?

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Postby byron0512 » Jul 1st, '06, 17:48

definately. Though I am sure people will disagree, there is some truth in that 'that which does not kill us can only make us stronger ...'

or something like that!

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Postby card_shark_2006 » Jul 1st, '06, 17:58

I think that the pub's force was extremely un-called for. It sounds like a bit of bull when they said all that c*** (not the best) about the property line when you went to get your stuff. I agree that you should take this further.

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Postby BizKiTRoAcH » Jul 1st, '06, 23:48

I cant really add anything useful that hasnt already been said, so i'll just say that was f'n bullpoop what happenend and its a shame. But it sounds like you are a trooper so keep your head up and keep at your magic :D

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jul 1st, '06, 23:51

That is horrible what happened to you.

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Postby mac » Dec 28th, '10, 21:10

Sorry that was too long to read, Hope it turns out ok.

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Postby Lawrence » Dec 28th, '10, 22:01

mac wrote:Sorry that was too long to read, Hope it turns out ok.

Well. You'll go far....

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Postby mac » Dec 28th, '10, 22:26

Lawrence wrote:
mac wrote:Sorry that was too long to read, Hope it turns out ok.

Well. You'll go far....


I just struggle to understand how putting this on here is going to solve the problem, didn;t mean to be disrespectful, i feel for the guy but sheeesh come on.

I dunno....perhaps it's me or or maybe perhaps the bouncer/doorman does not like magic.

A real big misunderstanding but not really magic related is it?

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Postby bmat » Dec 28th, '10, 22:52

I hate to say it, but your best bet is to let the matter drop. What are you going to get out of it? A half hearted apology? A lift of a ban from a pub where you really are not wanted anymore. What is the point? What can you prove?

What is the pub's side going to be?

Is it worth the hassle? That is up to you to decide. Ever seen the movie, "The Big Lebowski" If so, sometimes it is easier and wiser to just live with a pi**ed on carpet. If you haven't seen the movie, then sometimes you just have to know when to cut your loses.

Oh, and find your 'friend' and kick him in the nads.

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Postby V.E. Day » Dec 28th, '10, 23:05

The letter is rather long and full of stuff about what you were thinking rather than describing the basic facts about what happened in the pub. It is best to detail what was said and the actions that happened, rather than keep telling about how you want to be a magician and how it takes courage and other people in the town and earlier in the week at the supermarket and how you nearly went round the bend a few years ago etc etc. Just stick to what was said in the pub and what actions happened.

Similarly I don't understand why you are complaining to the Manager Of The Pub about the Security Guard in the Supermarket when you saw the lady earlier in the week. This is clearly completely irrelevant to the Pub Manager.

Best to edit the letter if you are going to send it.

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Postby Ted » Dec 28th, '10, 23:12

V.E. Day wrote:Best to edit the letter if you are going to send it.


And ensure you send it in good time, like around 4.5 years ago :)

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Postby V.E. Day » Dec 29th, '10, 00:29

Yes, I thought the letter was very long, it took me several years to read it all.

Anyway 4.5years ago it mentions a lifetime ban - is that still in place or has the pub been knocked down and turned into flats since then?

After reading that entire long story I'm dying to know how things have progressed....

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Postby TonyB » Dec 29th, '10, 13:31

While the bouncer may have used excessive zeal, I must say that I am on his side. If you go into a pub and begin performing magic, then you are a nuisance. Imagine someone bursting into song, or standing up and dancing in the middle of a floor in a non-musical pub. It wouldn't be tolerated. So why should magic?

If the pub wanted magic, they would have hired it. The fact that they didn't gives you the clue to their attitude. It is arrogant to assume people want us even though they have not asked us to be there.

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