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Can't wait! Mine should arrive tomorrow

great investment delude! you will not regret getting this!

Had a little play around, like 5 minutes and I love it!

We all stand on the shoulders of giants. Magic is the same. I have a felling this is merely a teched up, beefed up, and refined version of past tools. I could be wrong however.

Nope. Entirely new creation.

I just had a conversation with a magic dealer who said that the black widow is very impractical he would be very surprised if this could be used in a real everyday situation. It's put me off a tad

greedoniz wrote:I just had a conversation with a magic dealer who said that the black widow is very impractical he would be very surprised if this could be used in a real everyday situation. It's put me off a tad

I concur.

I couldn't disagree more. Can't see how its impractical at all. Now the raven is impractical, and so is the M5. [M5 is also a rip off moneywise]

OK, to justify my own comment:

I got a BW to see if it was something that could be sold on NUMS. I personally struggled with the setup (perhaps my 'build' didn't help) but after perservering I got it working.

However, and I admit I'd only practiced with it for a couple of hours, I tried it out on my dearly beloved, and straight away two things were noted:

1. 'Why are you wearing a shirt?' - I don't always wear long sleeved shirts
2. 'It tickles' - perhaps I shouldn't have used it in 'the spectator's hands'

Now, I don't want to put people off who WANT to buy one—sure, all the miracles you've seen performed with it are possible. But it's going to take a lot of time and perseverance.

Oh, and the price tag... I guess it IS worth the money, if you can incorporate it into a professional set which you're being paid to perform.

But, if like me, you don't always wear shirts, jackets or sweaters to perform your magic, then this is impractical.

YES: it is a wearable miracle. YES: it goes beyond the scope of a Raven. YES: it can do some amazing things.

But it's not the Holy Grail of magic that the hype would have you believe.

If you're creative enough to work WITH it and discover effects which are within it's capability, then you'll get on fine. And I am sure the price would be justified.

But I can't help thinking that the same effects can be achieved with other simpler, cheaper, less angle-sensitive methods.

As I say, this IS an opinion, subjective as it may be. But in all honesty, I would say that if this was going for sub £50, then I'd recommend it. But even then, I'd be worried about selling it because I KNOW that some people would see it go to their bottom drawer pretty quickly.

I'd say the same about the Raven too. I just personally don't like being hooked up for a performance. Even given the 'miraculous' effects which can be produced.

So, to conclude, if you buy it and love it, then that's great. But I personally would say that for me, and many others, this is just something which would lose it's appeal pretty fast.

And, sadly, because of my own experience with this item, I would concur that it's not a 'practical' item for me to sell.

Sorry if that upsets anyone!

I don't own a BW but a friend does. Having looked at it, I can say that it's something I would never use. It looks good, if a bit big, but it's not for me. Also, having seen it in action I don't think it's all that impressive.

But thats because now you know how its all done. If you see it from a specs view its awesome. Man I was so shocked the first time I tried it!
I waved my hands over a coin and wandered if it had gone so I checked on the table. it wasn't there, and I turned my hands over like a spec would and there was nothing. I was absolutely AMAZED because I myself didn't feel anyhting.

This is the sort of trick I like where you are basically performing the trick to yourself at the same time, so you enjoy it just as much as people watching it.

Because of the first time I tried it it makes me want to practise more and really perfect it.

But thats because now you know how its all done.

Actually, I wasn't impressed when I saw the video - I was more impressed when I saw the thing. As a piece of apparatus I think it looks good and watching it in action (from beneath) is impressive. If someone waves their arm over something and it disappears then there's only really one conclusion intelligent people will jump to.

Edit: There's a reason that magicians used to pull up their sleeves before they did sleight of hand.

copyright wrote:There's a reason that magicians used to pull up their sleeves before they did sleight of hand.

But why run if you're not being chased?

Hi all

I have been practising with the BW for a few days now. I have to say that i am impressed with it so far. much much better than the raven, initial set up a bit tricky but once this is done the set up is very quick. the instuctional vid is very good. i would recommend this product, the amount of things that can be accomplished are only limited to your imagination.

i am sure that when i have mastered it it will become a good working tool.
the price is high but well worth every penny

But why run if you're not being chased?

From what I've heard from owners and from what I've seen from performances, I wouldn't throw away your running shoes.

Credulous spectators will think you're performing miracles. More demanding people with more inquiring minds will not be quite as impressed.

For the record, I'm not dismissing the BW out of hand or saying people shouldn't buy it. I've seen it go down well and not so well.