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Nice, but I do have some comments, hopefully constructive.

I like your patter for wrist kill but it goes on a bit. It could just be me, but the speccy may have forgotten that you displayed all the aces face down. Probably irrelevant since you end up turning them all anyway, but maybe something to consider. Also I would draw attention to the AD as the reason for turning over and then draw the AS in order to compare. Just a timing comment really.

You do the AD count differently from the rest ... . I would suggest you keep the movements consistant.

Finally, you suffer from a disease that I am burdened with ... guilt. On two occasions you carry out a honest action (sic) but then go on to explain it. Square these up then .... recollect the packet . It screams that there is something going on.

Your EC looks better, but needs more work on the rhythm. Not really surprising since you've just changed the handling.

Nice to see someone doing the original (the best IMHO) handling, by the way. Keep it up Ecko, I'm enjoying your work.

Thanks for the comments

Yes the EC does need a bit of work, but as you said, I just changed the handling so thats not hugely surprising.

You're right about the justifying honest actions actually. Hmmm. It wasn't really guilt as such, just sort of... explaining what I was doing as I went along

As for the AD count... I thought the original handling showed to do it that way, but I'll recheck to make sure and adjust the routine accordingly

As for the wrist kill patter... well a whole bag of skittles made me kind of hyper. And so I ended up jabbering on about nothing in particular (which I'm bad enough for without being hyper ) so that probably wont be such an issue in real life performances

Glad you liked it anyway, and once again, thanks for the comments!

Like it, the handling on the cards that you do also looks quite effective

EckoZero wrote:As for the AD count... I thought the original handling showed to do it that way, but I'll recheck to make sure and adjust the routine accordingly

Just checked. Vernon says to outjog the AD so that you can pick it out as you do, but also says to simulate the moves made earlier. Having rewatched the video, I'm probably being pedantic. Lets face it I'm not a speccy.

Thanks for taking my comments as they were intended. Are you working on any other Vernon stuff?

Hmmm. Just recently got More Inner Secrets of Card Magic i think it's called and obviously Twisting The Aces was the first trick in there.

Owing to a large project I don't have huge amounts of time to be learning new stuff, but I'm definitely going to thoroughly read through and see if there's anything else that sticks out

Any recomendations?

Lots of nice touches. I got into crimping big time from this book, not to mention the zarrow. Theres also a nice explanation on the riffle force, which is well worth reading. Everyone thinks they have the riffle force down, but then you read vernon and think ... hmmm.

Hope you enjoy it, but you do realise you need to get the other two books now!

pdjamez wrote:Hope you enjoy it, but you do realise you need to get the other two books now!

Names? Prices?

Don't get me started on a book list, we'll be here all night.

If your interested in Vernon, I've just finished The Magician and the Cardsharp by Karl Johnson. Its a great read, and chronicles Vernons life in the context of his search for the centre deal.

Its still only available in hardback, but well worth looking into.

I didn't actually watch your video....no time tonight, however i read the posts and assume you used the four aces as the original script says. I use the A-2-3-4 of spades and get a much larger response....I think the changing/turning cards is far more visual when you do the count down from the 4,3,2 and A....just a quick suggestion!

Give it a try and let me know what you think!

I actually know a version of this trick in which the A 2 3 and 4 all turn over in order. Plus there's a killer ending to it.

I use it interchangeably with Twisting The Aces although Twisiting The Aces is sometimes more of a standalone effect whereas the other often elads on from a different trick.


Your suggestion is much appreciated though... thanks

Hi EckoZero, just a hint, not a criticism, I'm not good enough to criticise anybody, just an amateur, if you just slip the top card to the left slightly instead of buckling at the start of the EC it would look smoother.

Regards Paul.

routine

after all the other moves
i never thought to do the move when turning the bottom TWO face up,
i just use fthe shape shifter LOL

Ps whats it called

better?

Exactly what is the point of your post, stitchie? Hardly necessary to outline things like that (and, if you're going to, at least get Mr. Elmsley's name right!!!), don't you think?

What I do to make my EC more natural is I push off the top card(s) with my thumb. When you need to push off more than one card, feel the two cards with the flesh of your thumb (along the leighth edge of the card) and push off from the edge of the card. Sorry if this is hard to understand, but it is even harder to describe without revealing what is going on. If you don't understand, send me a P.M. I will be more than happy to help.

EckoZero wrote:I actually know a version of this trick in which the A 2 3 and 4 all turn over in order. Plus there's a killer ending to it.

Is it the revolver? That is one of my favorites too.