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Hey all. I needed some help here. I've been practising the Classic Pass these days and can do it pretty good, but the problem is that most of the time i do that pass, the card UNDERNEATH the break gets pulled down also. Im thinking its because im dragging my pinky over the bottom half of the deck? Im not sure how to resolve this, neither am i sure why its happening. Some help would greatly be appreciated as i'd rather have the selected card appear at the top of the deck rather than the bottom!



Thank you

It sounds like you have a sweaty little finger!

Before you get told the classic pass is a waste of time:

You're probably holding the deck to tight. Also, where are you learning from? Try Card College Vol 2.

Im learning from Peter Cassfords Pass with Care, Ken Krenzels Pass video and Richard Kaufmans On the Pass.I've tried holding the deck loosely, but the same thing still occurs. =/

The classic pass is a waste of time!

ha ha, to be fair a double under cut will achieve the desired effect and is an awful lot easier. but then i have strange ideas about passes so don't listen to me.

but yeah, probably a moisture problem. can be overcome by dryness. or alternativly, slow it down a bit

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A double-undercut does not produce the same effect as a pass. Before you say it 'will acheive the desired effect' at least ask what he's trying to use the pass for or you will just give someone confusing advice. Try performing Cavorting Aces or Smiling Mule using double-undercuts.
'Strange ideas' indeed!

...Herrmann pass all the way my friend...or his version with a little jiggle...

have a look at Wakeman's Pass dvd if you have the spare money, helped me enormously...

..try just a tiny swivelling of the packs when you do the classic pass, see how that goes...hard to describe...i know what i mean at least...

ha, fair point charles; i had assumed it to be just for the perposes of a top control.
So, Mr Levitation, what effect are you trying to achieve with your pass?

He says he wants to learn a classic pass, not a Hermann.

My advice would be to concentrate on just learning your pass from one source initially. Trying to learn from three videos at once is just going to have you chasing your tail and if you already have three videos then I wouldn't go out and spend money on the Wakeman one to make it four!

My advice (fwiw) would be to concentrate on learning the basic pass taught by Cassford (or at least just one teacher but I would go for Cassford as a beginner to the pass) as well as you can. When you're comfortable with that at performance standard then you might want to investigate other passes. But one thing at a time.

About the sticky card: remember that you want to use your left hand to bring the top packet around and down beneath what was the lower packet. It sounds like your left hand might be too static and you are trying to force the bottom packet up through the top one, keeping it against your little finger. As has already been mentioned, a light and relaxed grip is key.

..yes, i did read his post Mr. Calthrop, i was just offering an alternative...

Just a bit exasperated that this thread followed the usual pattern of threads where someone has requested help with classic pass technique.

Said pattern being that most responses to the thread give advice to learn something other than the classic pass. I don't see the point in responding to a thread on the classic pass if you don't have anything to contribute on the subject other than 'here's an alternative' or 'don't listen to me'. Am I wrong? Is it just me?

if it helps, my first line in this thread was intended to be a joke.

I offered a tiny tiny bit of help, recommended a visual method of learning, and an alternative...no need to get jumpy eh...i've got no reason to argue...

some people aren't suited to the classic pass and find others more manageable, then they can come back to the classic after some time away...anyway, as i said, im not going to argue over it...

Right...

As said before the easiest way to have the selection dragged to the bottom is if you're moving the bottom packet too much. The way I do it the bottom packet barely moves - the pass is done mostly by the ring and pinkie fingers moving the top packet around. That should make it easier to leave the selection on top.

Kati

Practice the pass, but slow it down and make sure your tecnique is perfect. Remember: practice doesn't make perfect, perfect practice makes perfect. Work realy hard on taking that card with you. This is a very valuable sleight. It will be worth your time to learn it.