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Anybody else hear about this?, ok it was a good few months ago now. But it's a great little story if it's true. It is taken from "The Sun" though, so it's about as reliable as a chocolate teapot.

"RIVAL TV oddballs Derren Brown and Derek Acorah raised spirits — by having a slanging match in a hotel.

Psychic Derek, 56, tackled illusionist Derren, 35, for publicly blasting him.

An onlooker at the Ramada Jarvis Hotel, Swansea, said: Derren came over to say hello but Derek looked peeved and asked...
‘Why are you always slagging me off?’

“Derren replied ‘That’s the way I am. I’ve never seen your show but I’ve reservations about you’.”

The pair started rowing but Myleene Klass, Derek’s co-host for the new series of Ghost Towns, stepped in.........

The insider said: “Myleene told Derren to leave Derek alone. She said, ‘You’re obviously threatened by him’.”

A crowd gathered before a pal pulled away Derren. He triggered the rift by saying recently: “If I die, I’d like to haunt Derek. I hate everything he stands for.”

Derren is famous for his Russian roulette act and for “crucifying” Robbie Williams by sticking needles in him."

Featured in the The Sun newspaper on 30th May 2006

Hmmm, yes. The new Derren Brown book tells what actually happened andthe nonsense that the papers generated.

What really happened?

lol - try reading derren browns new book "trick of the mind" - it explains about that in there

Payday Friday, it is on my list.

What happened? Mylene Klass couldn't be bothered to take the sunglasses off her mind!

Derek Akorah has made some very good "hits" though...he's one that i've still to decide upon to be honest...

though some of what he's done is complete tosh, i remember one episode where he was standing in a court that was used in the mid 1800s onwards and he said -

"im getting a gentleman sitting down, with like a small black square piece of cloth on his head...he's very officious and adamant, (not adam ant) ...and im getting strong feelings of people pleading, and the stench of murder or death in the air..."

i laughed my socks off at that one...yes derek! you're in a bleedin' court!

though apparently he did predict a car crash that emlyn hughes was in...poor old crazy horse...

Since it was a slightly more significant event I would have been more impressed if he'd predicted Emlyn's tumour.

One of these days, I'll write a smug essay on the techniques deliberately fake psychics use to salve their consciences. One is to claim that a spirit guide is telling them the stuff, and that they're only acting as a mouthpiece so it's not really anything to do with them if they're wrong or are tricked into revealing planted, fake facts. Step frowards Mr Acorah...

Frankly, I say bring on the Panto...

Acorah makes my skin crawl... I personally find him the lowest form of liar possible—giving false hope to the needy. He's a fake, for sure. If he was genuine, why does he charge for his 'curse/gift' to be used? And why isn't he winning nobel prizes for discovering a new branch of science?

I had a very interesting discussion about Acorah (aka Derek Johnson) recently. Turns out his name change is surrounded in lies and mystery, as is that of his spirit guide Sam.

Backtracking through Acorah's mesh of lies about the origins of such things, it turns out he can't even tell a consistent lie about himself, so how are we supposed to believe what he says about others?

A very clever man, no doubt. But I do wish people wouldn't base faith or hope on such pillocks.

Which brings me on to...

Derren Vs Acorah.

Personally, I don't think Derren would waste his breath or energy. Anyone in their right mind can surely see this is just a hilarious ruse. Yeah, sure we'd all like to THINK that we can talk to our long lost grannies etc. But given a laptop and a connection to google, it only takes 2 minutes to dig up info on just about any place or any person these days and make it sound convincing.

Derren's best plan would be to EMULATE Acorah and prove that what Acorah does can easily be done, and expose the methods.

Heck, even one of us could do it, if we wanted to look like a tosspot

that might make a good show actually, a magician's version of Most Haunted...i would insist upon Kirsty Gallacher or Brittany Murphy as my female sidekick though..for those "grabbing in the dark" moments...

EDIT: it was some of the names Acorah's gotten that were impressive, full names for a change...he does dress like an 80s hairdresser though...

Colin Fry is the one i find most loathesome...look at his site, he reckons he can pass on messages to people that don't speak english, and that in turn he can understand them too...do you automatically learn esperanto when you die i wonder?

Random observations....
Derek has been rumbled more than once on Most Haunted and it's claimed that on at least one 'show' his Wife was seen using a lap top at one side of the 'haunted' room openly digging up information on the place. It could be innocent but all that sort of research would have been done well in advance so the suggestion was that she was obtaining information for Derek as a result of things said or discovered live on air.

Starting a slanging match in public is a sure fire way of generating publicity. Derren doesn't need it as he has a new book out, new shows in the pipeline and a continuing commitment to stage tours of the UK this year and next. Derek has only his own occasional TV show on satellite with a stage tour to back it up from time to time. This stage show has used gimmicks such as glasses of water 'falling' off tables in the past - much to the amusement of all and sundry including Mr.A himself as it was supposed to be a joke. Out of the two, who needs the publicity more?

Last year Fry, Akorah and Tony Stockwell did a 'three tenors' type stage show entitled, funnily enough, The Three Mediums, and it was on TV not too long ago. Even when they picked on 'random' people in the audience and reduced them to tears over loved ones in the next word etc, it was still unconvincing. Derren would do a far better job of it even after telling you he would be faking it.

Just my opinions of course, everyone else should make ther own minds up about all this .

PS Nothing to do with this thread but it cropped up in Searches. Check out http://www.edp24.co.uk/Content/Features ... leyton.asp - proof that sometimes there no such thing as a Happy Medium.

did anyone see that channel5 show the other day about the so called haunted bridge where dogs "committed suicide"?

someone worked out that dogs and animals dont really have concepts of bridges and just fancied a jump over "that round edge thing" in their dog-view...

i did hear about someone on the staff of most haunted deliberately set up Acorah, making up a anagram of acorah is fake (if i remember rightly) for someone who was supposedly haunting the area...

derek then tranced out and spat out this anagrammed-name much to their delight...

i saw that 3 psychic tenors thing, it was rubbish...y'know the whole "i can see the future" thing that some use, and they always say "I dont use my gift for monetary gain..." when asked for the lottery numbers, well....why not? you'd be able to help more people if you had no money worries surely?

one show i would like to see though is a nyman/jermay/brown special...

How about "Monkey Mentalism"?