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I just picked up a deck and it seems to have 3 cards in it that were at the top that are not "roughed" are those supposed to be there for effect etc?

I just got it and have'nt really learned it yet but it looks like its 1 trick? Is there other tricks that can be done with this type of a deck or is the basic performance of guess a card, wow there it is turned upside down already?

No - the cards should all be the same - if you see what I mean (unless these card are 'extras' and are duplicated elsewhere within the deck. If this is the case just remove them.

This is an extremely powerfull deck and whilst the final effect may be the same, there are many many ways of getting there. as always, presentation is the key to the success and also take into account that you should NOT be repeating this trick over and over to the same audience and it should not be used as a stand alone effect. Never present it as you've suggested above!

There are probably more posts witin the TM forum (on the ID as it's usually referred to) than any other deck. Use the search function to check some of them out.

Good luck

I've had many IDs from different sources, and never encountered one with regular cards in it.

As for effects, read above and follow that route.

The ID can be used for loads of effects—some so diverse that the ID isn't the natural or obvious choice, but the most logical one.

After all, with a utility gimmick, it's always the PERFORMANCE with which it's entwined which is the key, and not the mechanics.

It's a 'think outside the box' utility, and can be used for magic, mentalism and even pub tricks/quick bets!

What Seige said!

Ask a spec to think of a card while you leave the room to turn one card over in the deck. You come back into the room, ask to state her card out loud and show that it's the one you turned over. Completely impossible. Works at parties, pubs, anywhere that you can be alone for a moment or two. All it takes is bottle and presentation. If you present it strongly enough, you can have a freak out on your hands - as I did on NYE.

I tie the deck up in string, wrap it in an evelope or brown papaer and sellotape it down tight. I then hand the package to a spectator to look after while I do other tricks. Then I leave the room whilst they pick a card. I get them to unpack the deck and only take it in to my hands when they are douwn to the card case. Then I ask what card they have picked and do the reveal. I also did this on NYE and it was still being talked about the next morning.

Ultimately their is only one overall trick to be done with it, but multiple ways of performing it to create an entirely different effect......get comfortable with the working of the effect, then use your imagination and do as you wish......no right or wrong answers there!

Johnny Wizz wrote:I tie the deck up in string, wrap it in an evelope or brown papaer and sellotape it down tight. I then hand the package to a spectator to look after while I do other tricks. Then I leave the room whilst they pick a card. I get them to unpack the deck and only take it in to my hands when they are douwn to the card case. Then I ask what card they have picked and do the reveal. I also did this on NYE and it was still being talked about the next morning.

Very nice idea! Hope you give me permission to use it

For your idea and presentation I think I would use the Brain Wave deck instead. If you show your hands empty before you open the envelope, then fact that the though of card has a different coloured back rule out that you somehow with great skill turned over the card (like they know you can do anyway from twisting the Aces!).

I general I prefer the ID to the brain wave. However, for your idea maybe the brain wave is the better choice?

There is loads of ways you can present this like the above have mentioned, My presentation is to get the deck out show all the cards to be the same way up then ask three people to think of a card then i reveal that there cards are the only three the opposite way round, but i usually do one card at a time e.g whats your card the 3 of h ok look there all face up click my fingers and its the only one face down then show them all face up again click my fingers again and so on. Obviously you have to do them one at a time because of the little factor within the deck which i wont reveal as it could be classed as part exposure. Also marc paul has got a brilliant stage version with the id which i use on stage.

I have used my Id in a perfromance telling people that it is like a "voodoo doll only voodoo deck" What you do to this deck, will happen to this one......have them reverse a card, only to find it reversed in the voodoo deck......have them reverse another, same thing, you can go on for a few cycles without fear of being caught.

lindz wrote:There is loads of ways you can present this like the above have mentioned, My presentation is to get the deck out show all the cards to be the same way up then ask three people to think of a card then i reveal that there cards are the only three the opposite way round, but i usually do one card at a time e.g whats your card the 3 of h ok look there all face up click my fingers and its the only one face down then show them all face up again click my fingers again and so on. Obviously you have to do them one at a time because of the little factor within the deck which i wont reveal as it could be classed as part exposure. Also marc paul has got a brilliant stage version with the id which i use on stage.

And why do you think this is a good way of doing it? I do not understand your thoughs behind your way of doing it? You presentation might look similar to twisting the aces from a lay persons perspective. Well, except you can twist a card they call out in advance! Impressive, but then why not just stick to twisting the aces?

Well, I have not seen you perform it so I might be completely wrong...

well because sometimes you can show all three to be face down at the same time depending on the circumstances and that is impressive in a laypersons view, also i dont perform twisting the aces and when i got the id i just sat there and thought what would be impresive and i came up with three revaltions rather than the one. I have never really thought of it as twisting the aces because i havent performed that in a long time but i can see where your coming from now you mention it. Also theres not as many sleights or counts with the id so it just seems easier and just has impressive i think.

Hey Lindz.....

I think the id all comes down to presentation......you can do the silliest of things and still seem impressive if performed correct.........I am not disagreeing with you Soren, I myself wouldn't perform the Id the way Lindz mentioned, but I have also yet to use a performance version with my ID that hasn't been impressive, so I would say that this one could be impressive as well.......all in the selling of the effect really!

There is an amazing idea in Kenton Kneppers work "Lasting Effects" that I think adds so much more to the ID. It is a brilliant idea and if any of you have it, I am sure you agree.

the ID is one of my most powerful tools. i like to suggest i have turned one card upside down and so the entire process that leads up to the reveal involves me "influencing" the spec to select a particular card... mind control... then i leave the room for a "reset" and can repeat.

i use some comedy, some play on words, the entire premise being that i will "lead" the spec towards a card. if i know the person i even talk about how i have narrowed it down to 3 - 4 possibilities based on their personality and my job is "now" to direct them to the one specific card.

very powerful when sold well.

a word of warning, i performed this for a big group on NYE and unfortunately the primary spec was... somewhat "drunk"... the whole thing didn't flow as well as it would normally.

Hey moodini

I mean thats the powerful thing about the id you can present it however you want which is good and if people dont present it like me or whoever else it makes you unique and thats a good thing because like these chats we have or if you see a magician perform the id we can all take ideas of each other and we can improve our own presentation. The good thing i like about the way i do it is theres no reset i just tell them to put it back in face up then do some magical gesture and show them there all face down again