i have a meeting with a very very pro magician what to do!!?

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i have a meeting with a very very pro magician what to do!!?

Postby russellmagic » Jan 15th, '07, 21:54



my god!! i have a meeting with a top working pro magician at his home. got to meet him by word of mouth! he wants to see what i can do soo was tinking of doing the following effects

self tying shoelace with comedy banter
rubber band trick where you turn it into a star, origami demo
an ace production
jumping gemini; i just love this
strange travellers
holy moly
and ending with jc's super closer

what do you guys think?
is it too many card effects? any advice

he said if i do well he may put my name forward to the magic circle :!: :D

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Postby Markdini » Jan 15th, '07, 22:01

I would show you know some classics of magic to like a rope routine or the sponges, too. Holy moly is a good idea as it shows you can work with coins all though the effect has never been anygood for me. What is the name of rubber band trick bt the way and where can i find it, sounds intresting.

Good luck with the meeting mate.

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Postby copyright » Jan 15th, '07, 22:03

Personally, I think you should get your patter down really tight. Obviously you will be nervous but if you can get that under control and come across as the personable and entertaining guy (I assume you are) then you'll create a great impression.

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Postby russellmagic » Jan 15th, '07, 22:05

rubber band effect is called stargazer. 8) jb magic stock it for a tenner 8)

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Postby russellmagic » Jan 15th, '07, 22:07

i have the gift of the gab, one of my talents. and my humour is very quick of the mark :)

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Postby Mikey.666 » Jan 15th, '07, 22:09

nice one.

err... i would say...restrict yourself with card tricks. try and use some coin effects and show that you have raw skill, with trying to minimise the use of gimmicks.

one important thing. i would try and build a "routine" other then just performing singular effects. if you build a good routine you will sell yourself i think.

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Postby russellmagic » Jan 15th, '07, 22:12

was thinking of doing bill malones coin matrix. my coin effects are very limited, such as 10p biter and a good coins thru table. i do know quite a bit of mentalism but feel i should'tmix it up :?

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Postby Wukfit » Jan 15th, '07, 22:23

If its the circle you are after then remember to include some things classic but above all clean (as in polite), if like myself your gab isn't always that clean it won't help :D

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Postby russellmagic » Jan 15th, '07, 22:26

taken your advice on board and will bring the soap :wink: will have to get my spongey balls out :lol:

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Postby Mikey.666 » Jan 15th, '07, 22:41

russellmagic wrote:was thinking of doing bill malones coin matrix. my coin effects are very limited, such as 10p biter and a good coins thru table. i do know quite a bit of mentalism but feel i should'tmix it up :?


dont mix!?!?! mixing is good. as long as you mix the right stuff together you can't go wrong.

as markdini has told me...theres nothing more boring then a whole routine with just cards, or just coins. MIX! :)

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Postby russellmagic » Jan 15th, '07, 22:46

oh crikey mate, in a new world of confusion now. may have to do B.I.P. as have been doing this recently and love it to pieces and also andy nyman killer elite

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Postby iummydd » Jan 15th, '07, 23:24

Make a good mix of heavy skill (slight skill) routines (but ones that you would know how to perform in your sleep, don't start learning new stuff to impress him) with easy routines with great presentation (notice that I said presentation and not patter, patter means jokes, stories, etc. that goes around the routine. By presentation I mean the whole routine should start as much as you can from scratch and be built slowly around the basic principle to create your own routine with the basic effect the same).

If you are dealing with a pro, chances are he already saw all these tricks performed at least once. What he will be looking for is how good your skill is, and this goes for slights skills as well as the presentation you build around it. (Again the whole presentation, not only patter)

So, for STS for example, wait for him to say something, or even better, drop something "accidentally" (not during a trick, but when you take out something for the next one) and hope for him to notice and say something. even if he doesn't know how it's done, he still knows the basic trick, which means that to make it special for him you need to do it spontaneously so he would think "nice, I didn't see that coming", instead of making a short routine out of it and having him go "Oh he bought that trick too?" (It can also work with a good presentation, but for this effect, especially when performed to other magicians, the surprise factor is the best, so I would suggest keep the routine to near the end so if he doesn't comment about the shoes until then perform it).

That's the basic idea, turn what everyone knows, the classics, into fresh appealing routines, "make the difficult look easy, and the easy look incredible"

Oh yeah and tell magician jokes (the kind only magician would understand), it would make him look at you less as an "intermediate student of magic" and more as a "fellow magician", if you catch my drift. :wink:

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Postby russellmagic » Jan 15th, '07, 23:28

thanks for that , that was a good post :wink:

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Postby Markdini » Jan 15th, '07, 23:49

Dont do the old "I become a magician because my wife said she use to get £50 a trick" Then again try it. But calm down mate get your routines down and it should all be fine.

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Postby Tenko » Jan 15th, '07, 23:53

Russell,

It would help to know why you are meeting him !!

If I was meeting a professional magician and wanted his help and support I would not be showing him any new, or fairly new, material. I wouldn't be showing him any self working or easy magic.

I would concentrate on showing my dexterity and sleight of hand skills I had learnt, despite the fact that I know that he would be better than me.

I think that after a while chatting with you he will get to know your ability, or not, to chat and perform regardless of what tricks you do.

If it was me, I'd like to know that you had put the effort into learning how to do the basic manipulations, not performing a self working trick with plenty of gob.

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