Having an issue with this trick (WARNING)

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Having an issue with this trick (WARNING)

Postby dizzydog » Jan 17th, '07, 21:58



IM getting naucious everytime and am not really getting "the" full effect.

What could I be doing wrong?

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Postby I.D » Jan 18th, '07, 13:08

What you are doing wrong is that you bought it in the first place. It is too dangerous too perform.

Ellusionist ( of all people ) have removed it from their shelves.

You may aswell take cocaine in my opinion!!

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Postby Michael Jay » Jan 18th, '07, 19:43

Actually, if you get the method right, you'll find that this is a strong, little piece if used as an aside or for effectual magic in the course of a cigarette (or similar) routine. In fact, the first time I saw such a thing done was back in the '70s, when I was very young. I was surprised that this was even put on the market and was honestly interested in it, myself.

Comparing it to cocaine, I think, is a bit strong of an analogy. More along the lines of the damage that smoking cigarettes causes, rather than cocaine.

Yes, it causes nausea, but what did you expect from *********? Of course, they didn't make that little factoid known when they first started advertising it, did they? And, ultimately, the nausea caused is the reason that they had to pull it from the market - the fear of being sued.

Then again, this is what companies akin to Ellusionist do...They find old effects and repackage them. They may be giving credit, but they aren't spending the years time that most magicians do before they publish their material, to make sure that it is audience tested and honestly workable in the real world.

The effect can be found, originally published, in Hugard's "Annual of Magic," 1938. Wow! They reached back into early in the 20th century to come up with something that they could sell to you. The sad part is that this can be found, at no charge to you, whatsoever, on the internet, if you know where to look. The cost was because they were the ones who took the time to find it, rather than you, not because of the years that they put into working it out in front of real audiences...Basically, you paid them to do the research for you.

But, that is fair, isn't it? Even the researchers have to be paid for their time.

May I suggest that your money is better spent buying some of these old, republished periodicals? You can get The Phoenix on CD (the entire run of them, easily researched, if you are alright with having an "e-book" as it were) or picking up any of the Apocalypse, hard bound, series? Sure, they're expensive, but the money you spent on that single trick would make for a good down payment on a book that will get you (well over) 250 different tricks to research and make your own (that's just ONE of the four books on the market, understand).

I don't recall the market price of "Warning," but I'll have to guess that it was along the lines of $25.00. Translating that into an equal value of one hard bound issue of Apocalypse, that would make Apocalypse valued at $6,250.00 - something to consider...

Mike.

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Postby alanclimb » Jan 18th, '07, 21:58

I'm new here and don't want to talk out of place. I have this effect and don't use it much, not because of the health risks (makes little difference at my age) but because it's not that great in my opinion.

As for cocaine.. The main ingredient that is affecting you is sulphur, people pay a lot of money to go to health spars to sit in nice hot volcanic sulphur pools. Unless you are doing this trick 24/7 I would not expect you to drop dead anytime soon, unless you were planning to anyway :)

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