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hey all.
i've seen russian roulette, created by alan rorrinson i believe. i was impressed, it seems like a cool effect, and the audience seem to love it as well. however, it is not quite gut wrenching as i was hoping.

during the effect there are 3 cups. with ONE nail...all mixed up. ok quite cool. but what if there where FIVE cups with FOUR nails. the odds would now be against you, hence making a much more dramatic performance i think.

i don't know if this a variation of some sort included with the dvd...or if this can be done with the method now, but i was thinking about it and just wanted to know what you guys would think?

thanks. mike

Well, there's roughly 648 methods behind this trick. And yes, it's perfectly possible to do it with 5 cups. Not sure about the Rorrison method as I don't have it though.

bronz wrote:Well, there's roughly 648 methods behind this trick.

you mean he didn't create the effect?

actually having more nails like that takes down on the drama.

The way i perform it is with 5-6 cups and one nail/spike.
I let the specs mix them up, etc. even working on a blindfolded version.

But having 4 nails means only one try... one OHH or look away from the audience. Compared to many grim faces, oh, holding their breath, etc.

Just like with the gun version- only one bullet. It increases the suspense.
Your idea can be done, but its not smart or in my opinion as dramatic.

Mikey.666 wrote:

bronz wrote:Well, there's roughly 648 methods behind this trick.

you mean he didn't create the effect?

no, its been around for a while. he just might have added a version of his own.

The trick is older than the hills, suffice to say I was performing this in pubs at 21 years old with my own performance, which is almost identical to the Russian Roulette version.

It could be done with 200 cups if you want!

seige wrote:The trick is older than the hills, suffice to say I was performing this in pubs at 21 years old with my own performance, which is almost identical to the Russian Roulette version.

It could be done with 200 cups if you want!

Hes talkin about using more than just more cups but also more nails.

Yeah, I know... it's interchangeable.

However, the best presentation is with one nail... it's more suspense.

seige wrote:Yeah, I know... it's interchangeable.

However, the best presentation is with one nail... it's more suspense.

Exactly my thoughts. I have actually tried it both. the many nails didnt get the juice i like.

and technically the odds are more against you if there is one nail. If there are say, 5 cups and four nails, your chances are 1 in 5 of getting it right - 0.2 - 20%. If there are 5 cups and 1 nail, then it is 0.8x0.75x0.66x0.5 - 80%x75%x66%x50% - ummmm - a lot more odds

(cant be bothered to work it out )

but either way, it is technically more odds if you have the one nail, rather than more than one nail.

ok. well...i might be going in over my head here. but...does anybody know of a russian roulette that actually uses a gun? like a real gun? but...you don't get killed... I'm a silly boy when it comes to things like this.