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has anyone got this dvd as i hear it is good, but would like further info on the dvd. thanks.
andy

this routine is in joshua Jay's book of Troy Hooser's work, "desTROYers".
A great book and a truly beautiful piece of magic. I actually performed this at the local magic association last week and it went down very well.
Takes some practise to get smooth, but well worth the effort. I personally use ninja coins for this and then go into the ninja coin routine proper afterwards which throws people completely.

There is a lot more besides this in the book including card material too and well worth a look, although I have yet to perfect the zombie change... I swear If I ever get that down I will be not only a happy man but probably in my 80's. The book is very well presented and the material is top notch.

Unfortunately I haven't got the DVD so can't comment on quality or teaching on there, but the routine is worth its weight in gold and stunning when performed well. I didn't know there was a DVD to be honest, so may look into it as I love the routine (can you tell) and wouldn't mind seeing Troy's handling in action.

Edit: this has become my favorite non-card effect...I think you have just cost me 25 quid, I didn't know there were additional handlings on the DVD. Thanks for letting me know about this though

Another edit, you have...it's on it's way to me, I'll let you know.

this really does look beautiful, also how many chinese coins do i need to get as want to get ther dvd and coins together, thanks mate
andy

This is really good the dvd teaches it very well with a few extra handlings at the end.

Make sure you get coins with a round hole in them as the square ones don't work very well.

Where ever you get the dvd from can tell you what you need, rather than saying so here!

You do only get the dvd so you need to find a nice ribbon, I use a nylon one as silk creases too much.

The coins you are going to need to spend at least £20+ on which does make this expensive when combined with the dvd but its worth it, plus you can sell the dvd on.

russell, This arrived yesterday. I posted a review last night for you.

i have had this and learnt it a while now
its a great effect and always plays really well
but i do not use it professionallybecause i can't seem to come up with good patter for the routine
does anyone have any good patter ideas to sell the effect, without getting into a long story etc....
i want to kepp it fairly sort and visual as it goes, but some thing to say to make sense for whats happening?
the nearst i can come up with is that chinese people used to carry the coins on string for security, but they still come off, blah blah blah
any ideas chaps?
thanks for your time and help in advance!
matt

I think I noted in the review I posted on this ( http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic17345.php ) around paragraph four that the original patter line from the desTROYers book was omitted from the DVD. I thought that desision was a little strange, but there you go.

It was presented as an ancient chinese puzzle, which is nice to do after some magical effects, switching to an apparent puzzle which many specs can see magic as any way. As they thread the coins onto the ribbon, you tell them that you must remove the coins from the ribbon, the catch being that you cannot thread them off the ends.

The funny thing is, I have had several people try by twisting the ribbon this way and that. Just like the chinese metal puzzles. I just let them get on with trying to figure it out for a few moments before retrieving the ribbons and coins and showing them how the coins pass through the ribbon if you can just find the hole midway down. With each coin, the puzzle gets harder so you enlist their help. etc etc.

For this reason, although I really like it, I do not use shoot's opener as although spectacular it takes part of this handling out of the spectator's hands.

Here's my patter:

I would just have performed Ninja Coins using three Ninja Coins, I then move onto this that uses three coins to.

As well as being able to change these coins can behave quite strangly in the right hands. In ancient China theives used to use the magical properties of these coins to steal them.

Do you know why Chinese coins have holes in them? Its so they could be worn from the belt on a ribbon (by now you have had them thread them on). It was a sign of wealth, and Ninja coins were the most prestigious.

The thieves had to think of ways of stealing the coins without openly cutting the ribbon. I display the coins held towards my knee with the ribbon ends uppermost.

I then bring them back up and do the first move. I then say the thieves used to sneak up on people and just rest their hands on the coins (place them on spec's open palm) and remove coin, the first one comes off.

The thieves took years to learn this and in fact were often taught as children, when they were learning they were taught to gently pinch the coins and one would come off!

The thieves having stolen two of our rich mans 3 coins had to be extra careful with the last one that the man was now guarding holding it in his closed hand with the ribbon wrapped around. The thieves had two coins in thier purse and were after the last one (coins put in purse). They then cast a magic spell at the hand and the last coins disappeared, to be found in the purse along with the other two.

Hope you like it!

Mark,

That's a nice story. I might use that in my routine next time (just to friends and family). When two coins have been magically removed I add these to the spectators hands to hold and ensure that they close their fist tight and, crucially, turn their hand over, so that they can't open their hands now because they will drop the coins. When I make the 3rd coin coin vanish I get them to turn their hand over and open and they see the thre coins. This always goes down well.

Regards

Shane

I use west African pennies, circa 1940, to present this effect. The patter line has to do with the holes in these coins, because the local people were without pockets, and would hang there coins from a cord instead.