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were should i go and advertise it? should i contact penguin magic or somthing?

ellusionist if its really good you will be rich because of over pricing. Theres a link there on their web site somewere.

See Craig Browning's stickie. ( http://talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic14907.php )
Until you do,

1) Do you know it's absolutely original (plagiarism in magic will ruin your life) (look up Alex Rose and "X Levitation").
2) Honestly, is it any good? I played around with ideas before and most of them ended up being mediocre. When I did make a handling that was original (or at least formed independently) I decided to keep it for myself. If your creation is so cheap to you that you're willing to virtually throw it away to youtube (where E and penguin tricks end up), it's probably not worth selling. There are exceptions, though, so don't let that put you down.
3) How long have you been doing magic? I think it's a natural phase for all magicians to create a Frankenstein monstrosity of a routine. Again, I speak from personal experience.
4) How well does it work (what conditions?). I do a pencil vanish that's absolutely wonderful (IMNSHO*), but it can't be done surrounded and lapping is (in its best form) necessary.

I don't mean to inhibit your creativity. It's just the dog awful truth that publishing tricks as a newbie is tough.

*try figuring that out!

P.S. PM me the EFFECT and I'll try giving my opinion on it.
Also, to get more extensive opinions see:
http://talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic17497.php

As stated above, you'd need to offer more information on the effect, in order to determine how original the idea really is.

If it is a card trick then you'll have to do a lot of research because something very similar will probably exist somewhere. If it is a single trick you should consider sending it to a magazine and see if they print it.

Unless you have a great idea for a prop then a single effect isn't really that valuable. Consider all the great effects in something like ParaMiracles. If you worked out how much they cost each based on the price of the book, then it will probably be less than a pound a trick.

You need to give more information about the effect to get a specific answer.

I really wouldn't worry too much about selling a single trick unless it really is somthing ground breaking. Show it to a few trusted magicians, give them the method and see what feedback you get.

My advise though would be to keep a note of the trick and when you've got together a few perhaps you can put together a small booklet.

Lady of Mystery wrote:I really wouldn't worry too much about selling a single trick unless it really is somthing ground breaking. Show it to a few trusted magicians, give them the method and see what feedback you get.

My advise though would be to keep a note of the trick and when you've got together a few perhaps you can put together a small booklet.

That's very good advice indeed. Get about a dozen or so effects together, send them to other magicians to try out and give you feedback, and when you can't refine them any more, publish.

well first of all thanks for all the replys.

now about the effect. hehe dont laph .. well i was sitting in a coffie
shop with my friend and he said wouldent it be cool if you could do.....
well i said yeah, and then the idia just came up to me in a secound.
i take a suger bag, let the spectator feal it and do watever he wants with it, then he signs a quarter, and then it penatrates into the sealed suger bag that the spectator just examend. the spectator can feel the coin inside the bag, then i rip off the top and the sined quarter is inside the suger bag.
the set up is like 2 secs, and it can be done sourounded, and you dont need any spetial props..

well thats the effect. i did it to a cople of my friends and i got crazy reactions.

well umm what do you think? dont laph at me hehe.

P.S sorry for all the spelling mistakes

Id echo those comments.

What I do is keep a notepad of all my ideas.. any finished effect go into another book and are worked on until polised and tried and tested on the public.

Then you should contact a few trusted well educated magicians to get feedback.

If it is something groudbreaking then you will surely find out.

What you should do is the following.. Lets say for example you decide on a new levitation.. you really need to buy EVERY levitation effect out there to guarantee your method is totally different.. This is going to cost you a lot, but not as much as you would get sued for breaching copywright if you didnt do your research.

I have made a few effects where I have simply refined handlings of effects in existence or made alternate endings.. this does not make the effect marketable.. it merely makes the effect my own!!

Logen wrote:i take a suger bag, let the spectator feal it and do watever he wants with it, then he signs a quarter, and then it penatrates into the sealed suger bag that the spectator just examend. the spectator can feel the coin inside the bag, then i rip off the top and the sined quarter is inside the suger bag.

This very same effect is in hundreds of books and is in ellusionists street magic series.

A very old effect, definately not original, sorry!!

I.D wrote:

Logen wrote:i take a suger bag, let the spectator feal it and do watever he wants with it, then he signs a quarter, and then it penatrates into the sealed suger bag that the spectator just examend. the spectator can feel the coin inside the bag, then i rip off the top and the sined quarter is inside the suger bag.

This very same effect is in hundreds of books and is in ellusionists street magic series.

A very old effect, definately not original, sorry!!

in the ellutionest street magic effect the coin dosent really go in the bag.. the way to do this effect is complytly diferent from what thay show over there.. again.. the quarter is inside the bag, and is not out of it semming to be in it..

I know mate, what Im saying is the effect ( as in the idea - coin in sugar packet ) is an old principle that will have spawned many many variations, ellusionists is one of which!!

So unless you have came up with a way to hand the sugar packet out and have the spec tear open the packet and spill out the coin.. it certainly wouldnt be marketable!! Maybe if you collected a book of 20-30 effects you could market the book of ideas as your own and market that if you gain enough reputation in the meantime!

I.D wrote:I know mate, what Im saying is the effect ( as in the idea - coin in sugar packet ) is an old principle that will have spawned many many variations, ellusionists is one of which!!

So unless you have came up with a way to hand the sugar packet out and have the spec tear open the packet and spill out the coin.. it certainly wouldnt be marketable!! Maybe if you collected a book of 20-30 effects you could market the book of ideas as your own and market that if you gain enough reputation in the meantime!

well i told you that, the spectator can feel it inside the bag and if you want to, yeah, he can tear it open

Logen wrote:...the bag, then i rip off the top and the sined quarter is inside the suger bag...

Logen wrote:...well i told you that, the spectator can feel it inside the bag and if you want to, yeah, he can tear it open...

Do YOU tear open the bag or does your SPECTATOR open the bag?

ok.. the best thing to do is discuss your idea with and established magician and producer/creator/seller of effects.. maybe pm Seige.

It would depend on a lot of things.. its one thing having the spec feel the coin or tear the bag open.. but if he cant take the sugar packet into his own hands.. that changes everything..

Im not taking any credit away from you.. at this stage I will say well done its great that you are creating what seem to be your own magic.. but its a lot different to create groundbreaking effects that stand as a marketable effect on their own right..

Do you think it is marketable as a one trick pony for £9.99 a pop?? its questions like this that you need to ask yourself.

PM Seige.. maybe get his opinions.. he is very fair.. very honest.. runs an online magic shop .. and creates his own effects