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krazy ace wrote:most tv magcians have a magcial consultant who helps them prepare something. if there was a way to get his/her name we could then easily find out how it was done.

and so they will not publish him/her in the credits

Actually, you couldn't - I'm pretty sure they have to sign away to secrecy. And I doubt they'd tell you either, out of respect for Derren Brown.

To settle this, will someone with a copy of Brown's earlier stuff have a look at the end credits and list the consultants.

Can someone tell me who the editor, primary cameraman and the costume designer was too because I'd love to know

And the runners. Be nice to runners or they'll wee in the coffee you throw at them because it's cold.

I've just looked at the votes and it seems that most of us think that he is an actual mind reader, while we have been spending all this time trying to disproove that.

interesting

I think people are only choosing mind reader for the sake of voting. It's an amazing double-bind (well, triple bind) forcing us to buy into the original poster's reality! The art of manipulation at work!

Derren is not a mind reader (as magicians or magic enthusiasts, we should know that there is no such thing), stooges are unnecessary, and "just plain luck" is a foolish answer.

Derren Brown is simply a psychological illusionist. He's been messing with people's perceptions since University and has simply gotten damned good at it. Nothing more, nothing less.

krazy ace wrote:I've just looked at the votes and it seems that most of us think that he is an actual mind reader, while we have been spending all this time trying to disproove that.

interesting

Well, It was either that or 'stooges' or 'luck'. To quote Tomo earlier, the answers aren't exactly comprehensive'.

krazy ace wrote:I've just looked at the votes and it seems that most of us think that he is an actual mind reader, while we have been spending all this time trying to disproove that.

interesting

Not so much interesting as a limited set of choices an the only way to see the results is to vote. People voted for the nearest one.

I voted luck because it is OBVIOUSLY just luck...i wish i was that lucky

tomo if we could come up with some more options i am sure we could ask one of the mods to change it

Well, rather than have an unlimited number of possibilities as there would have to be, shall we just go for "another"?


I probably shouldn't have bothered with the question mark since I have already done it, but it gives the impression I asked first doesn't it?

can we make a pact?

we dont try and second guess another guy's work? imagine if you had a tv show and a bunch of Feckers just sat about trying to pull it to pieces (probably to just include a bit for themselves in their own act)...

im all for discussing the entertainment value of it, but other than that - can we just leave it be?

i felt the ending was a little weak personally, i'd of prefered it if derren turned up acting normally as if they were still in London or something like that...but hey, it's Entertainment...

who cares how he did the swiss roll thing? just enjoy watching it...

i think it should have been more like russian roulette. i was gripped to my seat for the whole thing

The methods used by Derren Brown are usually straight out of the classics of mentalism. His originality lies in the way he masks the method. JackWright wonders how I could know the entirety of the method of the Marrakesh stunt. I can because it is the same method used by other mentalists in other situations. Not only has everything Derren Brown said to the press in various interviews and statements been consistent with this method, the method itself would work perfectly, so why do anything else?

Spectators are often fooled by the simple ruses of magicians because they are convinced that there must be more to it. This is especially so in mentalism. Derren Brown is so effective at this, that even fellow magicians believe his effects must have some special element to them. For this, Derren Brown is one of the greats of magic.

copyright wrote:The methods used by Derren Brown are usually straight out of the classics of mentalism. His originality lies in the way he masks the method. JackWright wonders how I could know the entirety of the method of the Marrakesh stunt. I can because it is the same method used by other mentalists in other situations. Not only has everything Derren Brown said to the press in various interviews and statements been consistent with this method, the method itself would work perfectly, so why do anything else?

Spectators are often fooled by the simple ruses of magicians because they are convinced that there must be more to it. This is especially so in mentalism. Derren Brown is so effective at this, that even fellow magicians believe his effects must have some special element to them. For this, Derren Brown is one of the greats of magic.

I agree entirely, but also agree with abraxus and would say that we cannot claim to know the used method simply because there is a method which we know that could be used. My point is, I suppose, that it could be done a variety of ways.

I hope, by the way, that you understand my point about Derren's clues in the show - allowing viewers to notice the cards but not to simply think them a weakness of the show.