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I've been looking for a good DL that doesn't require a break. The one I've been working on is the push-off DL from Crash Course 2 by Ellusionist, but after some practice I'm still not very comfortable with it. Are the two cards you push off supposed to be perfectly squared up or is it supposed to be more of a spread from which two cards are separated? Or is it just a matter or personal preference?

Maybe there is some better DL out there that I should be working on. Does anyone have any suggestions or resources?

Inevitable response: use a stripper deck!

I shut up now, don't I...

Dive-board Double- Lee Asher
I use this when people get suspicious.

There's a one handed double turnover in Card Control by Arthur Buckley.

I don't know what you need a double for, but Derren Brown's Velvet Turnover might be useful.

super DL.

don't know where to find it though but it is a bit hard to explain

I use a dl that uses no break, get ready, or funny move.

but it cant be bought anywhere. its my dl...

But there are so many DLs in the world. Just as long as you lift every card that way- single, double, triple, quad... it will be fine. Practice practice practice.

kitaristi0 wrote:The one I've been working on is the push-off DL from Crash Course 2 by Ellusionist, but after some practice I'm still not very comfortable with it. Are the two cards you push off supposed to be perfectly squared up or is it supposed to be more of a spread from which two cards are separated?

I have to say I've been wondering the same thing. I currently use a "squeeze" get ready, I stumbled on it myself but I think Gregory Wilson uses a similar method. However, I'd really like to use the push-off but think I must be missing something in translation from all the books I have, because everytime I do it it seems blatantly obvious that you're pushing off the double and pulling them together by the corner.
Anyone know of any foolproof teaching on this?

I'd also really like to know how to flip over the double with one hand, a Cornelius move I think, again, any references to teaching appreciated...

When you push off, they (the people) shouldnt be focused on your hands in the first place, so it really shouldnt matter.
Very few dls, are ment to be done with them watching. Usually a Dl uses misdirection. So with your push-off there is no real problem, just call their attention else where.

David,

No no no, a DL does not require miss-direction. Done properly, you need a few weeks practice, NO taking a break, no set-up.

I cannot believe, time after time. on this forum people struggle with the DL. It is a very easy sleight to learn. But it will take a bit of practice to do it properly. It deserves it. Give it the time.

You do not push off, you do not prepare a break, you do not use a squeeze get ready !!

Hell, this is a basic sleight, everyone should be able to do this well, yes, it takes some practice, but not half as long as spinning a card, and its a much more useful sleight.

If you've got 100 posts on this forum and you want help on the DL then PM me and I'll see what I can do for you.

Tenko wrote:David,

No no no, a DL does not require miss-direction. Done properly, you need a few weeks practice, NO taking a break, no set-up.

I cannot believe, time after time. on this forum people struggle with the DL. It is a very easy sleight to learn. But it will take a bit of practice to do it properly. It deserves it. Give it the time.

You do not push off, you do not prepare a break, you do not use a squeeze get ready !!

Hell, this is a basic sleight, everyone should be able to do this well, yes, it takes some practice, but not half as long as spinning a card, and its a much more useful sleight.

If you've got 100 posts on this forum and you want help on the DL then PM me and I'll see what I can do for you.

I personally dont need help with the DL.
But many out there use misdirection in some fashion. Catching the break, pushing them off, etc. Those usually use misdirection...

I dont use any get ready, I already said that. Maybe read the whole topic before hand. I was replying to another person pushoff Dl question.

I have only a little over 13 years with cards, so I am just fine and know a thing or two.

Bringing back an old one

Heavy Duty Double:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN_VFOpYvwQ

It's a tutorial!

There are two other methods I know of doing the lift without a break. One is not described in any book as far as I know and I learned it from Bobby Bernard at a lecture he did around 40 years ago. It is a corner to corner thing. If any of you know Bobby and are brave enough to ask him about it he may tell you.

The other lift is far more accessible to those seeking knowledge and I like it very much and use it quite a lot. It is in the Paul Le Paul excellent book on card magic.

Just do what I did train your fingers to know how many cards your lifting. Simple no break nothing just pick up the cards done.

lindz wrote:Just do what I did train your fingers to know how many cards your lifting. Simple no break nothing just pick up the cards done.

This is in essence what I do. I thumb count and turn over. It requires the cards to be bevelled back just slightly but a natural squaring up motion covers that. The beauty of this from my point of view is that I can thumbcount and catch a break if thats relevant or I can straight count and turn. I can catch a triple with confidence and am working on 4, but I don't actually have an application for that yet, I just like testing myself.

The 'sightless' method I nearly always use for doubles, triples etc. is a pinky-pulldown.

You need a strong pinky, but it's possible to count off the required amount invisible from a dealer's grip.

seige wrote:The 'sightless' method I nearly always use for doubles, triples etc. is a pinky-pulldown.

You need a strong pinky, but it's possible to count off the required amount invisible from a dealer's grip.

I use this too, and find that it's a lot easier if you've beveled the deck slightly.