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Postby kingjeux » Apr 29th, '07, 16:15



*sigh*. I'm not talking about cloning ala The Prestige. He does small tricks like, coins from a nose, flash paper to rose, disappearing cigarette and such. So after seeing those, this one is just as plausible.

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Postby Lord Freddie » Apr 29th, '07, 16:18

Plausable yes. If you'd seen a magician do it then maybe it would have some credibility, but I wouldn't mix up what you seen in daft Hollywood films as being in any way real.
As for your question, no, I don't think the Raven could turn a rock into a lizard.

Now this Christopher Reeve flying thing. Is he using the Baladucci?

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Postby kingjeux » Apr 29th, '07, 16:20

You're just becoming frustrating now. Watch the movie. It's tricks that would take the director 10 seconds to tell him how to do it. He could go on Ellusionist and purchase them and learn how to do them. And considering the movie shows that he can clearly see into the future, I don't think something small like a Raven trick would be computer enhanced.

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Postby Lord Freddie » Apr 29th, '07, 16:25

Sorry, don't watch atrocious American films and certainly don't believe them. You're the one that's frustrating coming on here after watching some dire Hollywood rubbish and asking exposure for an effect you have seen in a film.
If you had seen a magician do something then you may have some credibility, but it's a daft thing to ask and rude to expect exposure on a magic forum. Buy yourself a Raven and experiment if you are that interested instead of trying to coerce people into telling you whether something you saw in some silly film can be done with it.

By the way, Leonardo De Caprio was not on the Titanic either.... :roll:

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Postby kingjeux » Apr 29th, '07, 16:31

Haha... so if I go onto a Magic supplier site, and click on the link to a Raven, and I check out a demo video :shock: omg! The magic supplier EXPOSED IT! I am not asking for exposure by any means. I am interested in purchasing a magic device, and if you had read any of this thread prior to that one post, you would see that I am trying to compare to similar items. The part that you read was me trying to figure out what one of the above items is capable of. His 'magician' part of the movie is that of a two-bit magician preforming tricks anyone is capable of doing by spending a few dollars. That said, you don't require Hollywood spectacles to make the tricks real. Ahh.. watch the movie before posting again and you will understand. I am not looking for an argument here, I am trying to decide what device to buy.

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Postby Lord Freddie » Apr 29th, '07, 16:35

On previous threads you have tried to coerce exposure out of people.
No, I shan't be watching such rubbish as I have better things to do with my time.
I suggest you watch some magic DVD's rather than dross like this and then ask how it's done.

God forbid what'll happen if you see any of the Harry Potter "movies"! :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

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Postby kingjeux » Apr 29th, '07, 16:41

Better things to do like dressing up in that silly outfit and dancing on stage I presume. Read threads carefully before you talk. I didn't ask how a trick was done. I didn't request exposure in the least. I saw a trick, I then requested if an item I am interested in buying is capable of accomplishing that. That is a valid question that anyone should be allowed to ask. It would be something I would ask the shop keeper if I was in a real store. It's called being inquisitive to see if the purchase is what you are looking for. Look up the definition of exposure for yourself next time before you barade me with stupid one liners.

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Postby Lord Freddie » Apr 29th, '07, 16:56

Live in the real world rather than a diet of Hollywood drivel. Asking how to do an effect you have seen in a film is just unbelievable!!!
The mentality of kiddie students that ask how such "awesome" things are done are one of the most irksome things about magic forums.
I certainly do dress up and peform on stage, and get paid for doing so, thank you, so the words of a half-witted student who lives in a fantasy world of films and television, affect me not one jot.

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Postby LeftEye » Apr 29th, '07, 17:00

Calm down guys and girls! Would the PK ring hold a 2p piece through a card? Or would I have to use a shell for that?

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Postby Lord Freddie » Apr 29th, '07, 17:10

LeftEye wrote:Calm down guys and girls! Would the PK ring hold a 2p piece through a card? Or would I have to use a shell for that?


Yes it would, no problem. I have done this before. It may even do it through a couple of cards.
From what you're saying it sounds like the ring will do the trick for the purpose you need it for.

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Postby LeftEye » Apr 29th, '07, 17:33

Ok nice one thanks a lot!

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Postby Lord Freddie » Apr 29th, '07, 17:39

I've put a 2p inside a post-it pad and managed to life it up, it can fall off if you're not careful, but it shows cards will be a doddle.
If you get any kind of metal allergy then be careful what ring you choose as the Wizard one affected my fingers really badly.

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Postby totalmagic » Apr 30th, '07, 02:18

Like I said before, get the raven it is really cool.

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Postby kingjeux » Apr 30th, '07, 03:58

Lord Freddie wrote:Asking how to do an effect you have seen in a film is just unbelievable!!!


Maybe because you are from the UK, and haven't seen this film I will ignore your ignorance. I am not naive. Had it beens something like him flying, or Harry Potter, I would understand. His magic as I have stated, was very simple, it's purpose was to contrast his 'gift' in the movie. That said, all the 'tricks' he performed were obviously actual ones. Now, even if Hollywood had decided to animate, or special effect these tricks, that is irrelevant. My question was, and still is: Is the raven able to preform the aforementioned trick of exchanging the rock for the lizard.

And please, no more stupid replies from you Freddie. I think there is another dress you need to be trying on.

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Postby Lord Freddie » Apr 30th, '07, 08:29

The fect that I'm from the UK means I'm far more intelligent then some transatlantic goon who has seen more of the world from films than real life.
The Raven can change things like coins and small objects, but I don't believe a lizard and a rock are possible.
You could always have the brains to buy one and try it rather than try and ask for exposure. I shouldn't imagine any people on here have tried to emulate some ridiculous scene from a Nicholas Cage film, hence your lack or response.
Buy a Raven, have fun with it, get a girlfriend and grow up!
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