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Any tips for the classic pass, I'm finding it hard because i have tiny hands, left pinky is small.

The Classic Pass, I really don't care for it. Do you need to get there card to the top without them knowing? cuase I just do a cut on the off beet.

Yeah I'm a big fan of the double under cut at the mo

I simply put a packet from the top onto the table, then another packet onto that, then the bottom portion onto the top, 3 simple, sleight-free moves.

But then you need a table...

herman pass

top slip cut for me, they think card is in the middle, but its on top the whole time,

for that reason i will NEVER bother with the pass, it seems pointless when there are so many other ways using misdirection or in the slip cut case you dont even need that!!!

for that reason i will NEVER bother with the pass, it seems pointless when there are so many other ways using misdirection or in the slip cut case you dont even need that!!!

I can not agree more.

There's an awful lot of threads on the pass here, do a search and even the not particularly great function we have will give you more info than you could want.

Hand size doesn't matter, Sankey has the hands of a child and his pass is about the best I've seen, unfortunately you're gonna have to put in an awful lot of practice. Kaufmann recommends doing the move 50 times a day for a year to get it decent.

As for controls, on the one hand you don't need the pass but it is a very useful move to know. Just don't spend too long on it when you could be learning more basic and immediately workable stuff.

rvoice100 wrote:top slip cut for me, they think card is in the middle, but its on top the whole time,

for that reason i will NEVER bother with the pass, it seems pointless when there are so many other ways using misdirection or in the slip cut case you dont even need that!!!

Do not underestimate the pass.
It's one of the best ways to get a card from the middle of the pack without doing ANY moves?

I never used to want to know the pass. It looked hard and I was happy with the controls I already knew. However one day I was looking for a new challenge in my magic and thought I'd try and learn the pass. I got hold of Ellusionist's Ninja 1 DVD and tried to learn it. I'd say I'm pretty good at it now and I can honestly tell you that it is the most useful sleight I've ever taken the time to learn. I use it all the time and I never get caught out or have people suspicious like I have had in the past with simple cutting sequences. It's quick, invisible, and extremely useful. If you can find the time, just learn it...you'll be glad you did.

manmartian, it is definitely worth the practice to get this sleight down.
it may take more practice with small hands, i don't know mine are pretty big. i know the pass feels awkward and cumbersome at first but just put in the time.

Kaufmann recommends doing the move 50 times a day for a year to get it decent.

i don't know about a year, but it certainly took me over a month to get it fast and smooth and to where i was confident enough to use it. then again i was just walking round with cards all day for that month practicing the move but that's my obsessive nature and not your problem.
i can't believe how many replies you've had that basically say "don't bother learning it" i agree with bronz that you shouldn't let other, perhaps easier, sleights go by the wayside just to learn this but don't give up on it.

probably the most important point

I use it all the time and I never get caught out or have people suspicious like I have had in the past with simple cutting sequences.

For some odd reason it took me only 10 minutes to learn the pass from a book and I do it as well as anybody. Of course I am an exceptional human being.

If you also want to learn it in 10 minutes here is the book I did it from. No doubt it is out of print. It was called "Tricks with Cards" which I consider to be a most imaginative title. The name of the author was Charles Roberts.

Mark, am I the only one who finds your posts funny?

Anyways, the argument about using the pass or other methods depends on context. I think it was "Designing Miracles" by Darwin Ortiz that contained the foundations for my current beliefs in the pass. If you want the card to look like it is definitely in the center of the deck- right after the spec handles it- the pass is the top move. If you want it to seem like the selected card can be anywhere in the deck, shuffle and cut controls work best. I use shuffle controls in most things since the spec doesn't have to think the card is in the center of the deck in most of my tricks. If you try using a shuffle or cut control in place of the pass in an ambitious card routine, it would be much weaker.

The pass is something that no matter how much I practice it I can't get it to look anywhere near invisible enough to use in live situations.

As such I usually have the card replaced in the middle, culled to the bottom then shufled to the top of the deck.. works well for me!

The pass is one of those things that takes time and patience. Don't worry about it being totally invisible, mine's far from perfect but with a little misdirection I can get away with it everytime.