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christinaity started as a cult, roman catholics took it onboard and adjusted it for there own ends.
the chocalate teapot is also a valid religious belife, you interprit what you will, thats the joy of a belife system it dosn't have to be factual its all taken on faith.

there will always be someone to exploit our need to have a higher power to blame / praise for things that happen beyond our control, and there will always be people wanting you to forsake your religion /cult for someone else's.
psychological tricks have been used for centuries to control the masses, live by your own credo but respect others and you won't go far wrong after all most wars were started becuse of religiouse diferences.

Well, that was interesting.
Quite an eye opener in fact.

So I take it the poor are not welcome within this "religion".

Christ on a Bike Deck! Getting people to open up to them then posting their most intimate secrets all over town if they leave? What pleasant people!

Anyone still interested in giving Scientology a break? I don't think I could eat the amount I want to vomit over them!

...Some would say that religion and politics have no place in magic.

I would argue that religion and politics have no place anywhere; they've both left far too many battle-grounds behind them

.... well, I missed it 'cos I thought it was on at 9pm lol - but I managed to find the website where you can watch it, so if you missed it:

here it is

Whichever way we look at Scientology, we should perhaps bear in mind that many people are deeply committed to this as their faith and our thoughts/comments should be suitably considerate.

Is it only me who has trouble with this kind of idea. Religion and ideologies have hidden behind this for too long. Just because someone is deeply committed to a belief, should we realy hold back from saying what we really believe (our own deeply committed belief), out of 'respect'? Even if you find that belief hard to stomach? Why is 'religion' untouchable?
Adolf was deeply committed to his belief...so are fundamentalist Muslims...etc etc.

that was a sickening show...and im very pleased the journo lost his cool...give me human journalists over straight-laced automatons...

i think i'd of gone for a headbutt though....

and the head-guy following him around...what a complete tool-box eh, straight outta the Matrix...

i might start my own religion y'know...see if i can get some filthy dollars in my backpocket...

One underlying point was that at the moment Scientology isn't classed as a religion in the UK but they want to be and there's a campaign going on to gain official approval. This may endow them with beneficial tax and charitable status etc so we're not really talking belief or faith, we're talking money.

It was good to see the BBC guy lose it on camera and perhaps that was shown to illustrate the frustration which accrues in the face of the mind games and intimidation being carried out. I've had previous personal dealings with a couple of other cults in the UK and it wasn't a nice experience either time so I'm already biased against what I perceive to be a similar cult and I certainly can't be impartial.

They certainly showed control issues that's for sure.

Join us, join us, JOIN US!!

They did seem a very strange bunch, following him around like that was really not on and some of the ways that families were cut off was horrible. But then the programme was dealing with the real extremists and I'd guess you'd get the same from any religion.

Lady of Mystery wrote: But then the programme was dealing with the real extremists and I'd guess you'd get the same from any religion.

Woah!

Catholic priests don't go around putting up posters in shop windows telling people things you've said in Holy Confession if you decide not to go to church any more. No religion abuses trust like that. Scientology is not a religion. It's a sci fi cult run by bullies who have the goods on their members in the shape of these spurious audits. No wonder they could silence huge Hollywood stars in an instant. What have they told them and are afraid they'll publicise?

Look at the world we're living in, we've got Muslims running around with bombs strapped to their chests, Christians running around beating up the Muslims.

Catholics shooting at Protestants, Protestants shooting at Catholics. As for brain washing, some of those American churches are just as bad.

I don't think there's any difference at the extreme end of any religion.

but then again, catholic extremists can make you feel guilty purely for having genitals...and lets not even mention the abortion thing...

and africa/spread of aids due to the catholic stance on things...

Lady of Mystery wrote:As for brain washing, some of those American churches are just as bad.

Whoah, whoah, whoah! What "American" churches are you talking about? If you're talking about Mormons, yeah, they're a weird bunch what with all of the polygamy, but I don't think they brainwash anyone. They're just weirdos from Salt Lake City. They're not bad people.

Must be time to move on to politics...