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Greetings, I am looking for new tricks/books/DVDs with a hypnosis presentation, possibly for close-up settings. Some stuff I already own:

- Encyclopedia of stage hypnosis - Ormond Mc Gill
- Close-up Hypnosis - Fabio Tabbo
- Tricks of the Mind - Derren Brown (altough it is not really hypnotism... but it is Derren Brown!)
- Between 2 minds from Guy Bavli (there is a decent "hyp" effect in the bunch)
- Hypnotricks by Jonathan Royle / Alex Leroy (worst book I have ever purchased, that's why I'm looking for serious recommendations now).

Any others? Thanks!

FR

Sleight of Mind - Ian Harling and Martin Nyrup. Although it doesn't have many 'tricks' in it the book is very good. 'Geist' by the same authors has some more tricks in it and can also helps you think about how you can present tricks using various 'geists', in this case hypnosis.

Are you looking to do hypnosis or magic/mentalism passing off as hypnosis?

Seconded!

Sleight of Mind is a very good book on the aspects of NLP that work and on inducing hypnosis.

Thanks, I'm putting Sleight of Mind and Geist in my wish list.

HOWEVER: Strep, I am not really interested in real, medical hypnosis: I am a mentalist and perform for entertainment purposes, I'm not a therapist and don't want to become one... So I'm looking for tricks and effects with an hypnosis presentation - take for example "stop smoking mentalism", or many tricks from the McGill Encyclopedia. I also think that Tom Silver put out a relevant DVD? Thanks again!

If you're a mentalist, you're in a uniquely flexible position when it comes to presentation

How about Kenton Knepper's 'Twists and Trances'?

While the helpers on stage swear they cannot help doing what they do, and also insist they are NOT hypnotized, the rest of the audience howls with laughter and amazement at what takes place.

Finally you will find Kenton's opening "Mic" Kentonism, new binds, conjured images the helpers swear they see though no one else does - and entire "hypnotic" act with NO hypnosis at all.

Bonus material includes changing an audience member's belief or disbelief in God, their favorite color and more. They will keep their changed belief!

It's all an illusion, but such powerful and entertaining material is not usually shared this freely and in such great detail.

Or "Act of Imagination" by Enrique Enriquez and Kenton Knepper?

What IS the Act of Imagination?

Do a full hypnosis type act without any hypnosis, stooges, trick props, or set-up.

People may think they have become furniture, see themselves without pants - any number of wild seemingly "hypnotic demonstrations" are performed without paid helpers or real hypnosis.

Both of these books are more suited to stage presentations. You might be able to get some suitable material from them.

Most kinds of prediction effect can be dressed up as 'mind control'; you have somehow forced the person to do as you wanted.

Thanks Part-Timer. To be honest I knew these 2 books already, but didn't purchase them because I have already been severely disappointed by the Wonder Wizards hyped products. For the sake of completeness I could add to the list "Kentonism" (which I own and dislike), I guess that the 2 books you mentioned above are of the same type. Don't count on me to check them out, though

Have a look at "The Busch Factor".
http://www.richardbusch.com/product_entry_page.htm

Barry

'Skullduggery' by Luke Jermay might be right up your street if you're looking for a DVD that incorperates hypnosis/mentalims effects and it is extremely good value for money in my opinion. In fact just about any of his written material (e.g building blocks) would probably be ideal for you too.

Ooo... here's a thought.

Instead of bull shitting yourself and the world about being a hypnotist and/or using hypnosis/NLP in what you do, why don't you actually go to school and get certified in those fields... that way you are not making outrageous claims that are unsupported... which we all know is against the morals and ethics of all magicians (or does that only apply to people that call themselves "Psychic" entertainers?)

If you want to become a Hypnotist get Ormond's book and learn it. This is the bible... the "Corinda" if you would... to stage hypnosis. IT IS NOT hypnosis in the sense of clinical styled work and as Richard Bush will tell you, it's 95% B.S. but what the public expects (Richard is a certified Hypnotherapist and Ericksonian Hypnotist/counselor)

For stage hypnosis you will also benefit from finding any and all books by Arnold Furst... Arnold and Ormond were the first two major players on this front as well as noted clinical experts. Both wrote volumes of case studies pertaining to their practice as well as countless books dealing with the stage craft aspects of it all. Their "successor" would probably be Jerry Valley who was the official house hypnotist & mentalist aboard the Queen Mary II for seven or so years. He offers a video course in Stage Hypnotism that sells for around $300.00 last I checked.

Hypnosis is not a trick and it's really time for you guys to stop buying into the PR line that it is used in doing magic or mentalism. For that matter, most see NLP as a non-science and rather snake oiled concept as well though it has some LIMITED viability that its proponents have grossly exaggerated.

It really boils down to what you want to become, a Hypnotist or a Bull s*** Artist?


(yes, the bear woke up grumpy this morning, but I've also gotten very tired of the double standards and blind lusts)

Jonathon Chase's book is a good one to start with.

A friendly word of warning - avoid Hypnotrick! But check out Luke Jermay's stuff. Great usage of suggestion.

Thanks guys. I will look into Jermay’s DVD (I already have the 7 Deceptions book, but it’s not hypnotism). For what concerns Busch… I have already given him too much money for his overpriced peek books, and I’m not going to shell out another 100$, sorry…

Craig, I am not interested in medical hypnosis, and I won’t take any course on the subject. I am a magician/mentalist and that’s the way it should stay. Some (paying) audience request hypnotism (or whatever they think it is), so I give them what they want...

Lord Freddie, can you tell me more about “Jonathon Chase”, which books are you talking about? Thanks again

Fred

Deeper & Deeper is the Jonathon Chase book I refer to.
It concerns stage hypnosis & the use of suggestion. There's enough info in here for you to grasp the concepts of it & incorporate it into your mentalism & make it believeable. It's not expensive & worth a look.
Amazon sell it.

Frederick, you missed the point(s)

The "Trick" to doing a Hypnotism Show is to actually do Stage Hypnosis not a bunch of magic tricks otherwise you're just as big a FRAUD with your claims as some would say I am with the wordage I use by referring to myself as a Psychic.

Stage Hypnotism is its own field and until about six years ago, was not part of stage magic nor mentalism, or was it something filled full of magic tricks that gave the illusion of being something its not. In short, you're either a Hypnotist or a Magician or a Mentalist NOT ALL THE ABOVE or else you confuse the audience as well as the disciplines.

I've found what it is many are attempting to do, is ride on the lie and shirttails of Derren Brown's claims. Though hyp acts have always included a hint of mentalism here and there as well as word type effects that enhance the initial hype that the subjects really are "under" such has always been secondary to the music cues and suggestion routines; it has always been the antics of your participants and little other. We simply offer them a couple of convincers that give them "permission" to make an ass of themselves; that and some guidance by us create the show.

Have you read Cassidy's manuscript on doing a Hyp Act?

Have you actually studied and practiced Ormond McGill's material?

Frederick Rogers wrote:Thanks Part-Timer. To be honest I knew these 2 books already, but didn't purchase them because I have already been severely disappointed by the Wonder Wizards hyped products.

That's fair enough. I happen to love Kenton's stuff, although some of it is hyped to the (Ormond Mc)gills!

For the sake of completeness I could add to the list "Kentonism" (which I own and dislike), I guess that the 2 books you mentioned above are of the same type. Don't count on me to check them out, though

Yes and no. There's stuff in them that is Kentonism based (possibly only one of the books, it's a few months since I read them) and I can certainly understand your reservations about that. However, a lot of it is about pseudo-hypnotism and routines that give the impression of hypnotism.

Craig has a good point about pretending to use hypnotism, but my personal view is that ultimately, we should be entertaining. Bearing in mind lots of people say there isn't any such thing as hypnosis (at least in the commonly-understood sense), arguably pseudo-hypnosis is as real as 'actual' hypnosis!

Please do consider Craig's arguments seriously; the man's walked the walk and can talk the talk too!