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Could someone possibly point out a review for a particular DVD/book that shows the miraculious way of walking on water?

I am very intrigued with this trick/illusion, I plan to do it one day, but I need to know what is the magical gimmick involved, I have read much about, but they all point out to the same.

Please someone help me out on this, I used the Search Buttom and found nothing.

I will appreciate your help.

I take it you have lots of cash on hand?

The two that I'm aware of belong to either Andre Kole (the "original) or Franz Harary (which is the method I think Criss Angel used). I can assure you, neither are inexpensive (think, down payment on a home).

Thank you, but are the actual names of the DVDs/books?

I think what Craig was trying to say was that you can't go out and buy it from Ellusionist for $24.95.

Kresnier wrote:Thank you, but are the actual names of the DVDs/books?

The NAMES are the people that designed the only two versions I know of aside from my own fountain walk deal. There is NO DVD or Book that I'm aware of (though Andre may have shared something on his version... I'm not certain if he's got a book out on his life and contributions as of yet).

We are talking about an illusion system that cost thousands to make and has a VERY LIMITED area of application. I know that Andre has leased his out to a couple of young performers over the years but I am confident that the lease rate would prove a bit steep. As to the Harary version... well, you'd better have lots of cash to even think about it at a realistic level.

Just as a matter of interest, I was speaking to a certain couple of magicians last night about the walking on water they did in one of their tv shows. They received a letter recently from Penn & Teller asking if they could buy their version of the trick as they could not come up with a good enough one themselves. If someone like Penn & Teller cannot devise a way to do this, I think it's very unlikely that many other people could. No offence intended, not trying to undermine your magic credibility as I don't know you from Adam, but from the sounds of it, you are not going to get very far without a very creative brain and by the sounds of it, a shedload of money

Well if those two wouldn't go around pissing everyone off I'm certain they could use one of the units I mentioned... but I doubt Andre would give them two seconds of his time in that he's a very devout Christian (that's what he's known for is his Christian Magic show).

kitaristi0 wrote:I think what Craig was trying to say was that you can't go out and buy it from Ellusionist for $24.95.

Was that suppose to be offensive towards me? I don't even like Ellusionist's products, all their material is for begginners. You don't know the level that I'm at magic. I seek things that have a truth meaning in performing them, not useless material. You didn't have to be so rude!

So, the joke is on you.

Schwen wrote:Just as a matter of interest, I was speaking to a certain couple of magicians last night about the walking on water they did in one of their tv shows. They received a letter recently from Penn & Teller asking if they could buy their version of the trick as they could not come up with a good enough one themselves. If someone like Penn & Teller cannot devise a way to do this, I think it's very unlikely that many other people could. No offence intended, not trying to undermine your magic credibility as I don't know you from Adam, but from the sounds of it, you are not going to get very far without a very creative brain and by the sounds of it, a $hit load of money

I read that Penn and Teller were going to perform how to walk on water, but their show ended before they were able to perform it.

The guy that told you that they sent him a mail was most likely a lie, there isn't a "magician channel" I never saw anything about them doing nothing on my local news.

Now about the money, I am still very young, I have my whole life to save money, I just plan to know to increase my ideas on what else I could do on water.

I think that I have figured how Kole walks on that lake, the lake has alot of camouflage, you could easily hide a gimmick in there.

As for the DVD/Book, it turns out that there really isn't any book/DVD published by any magician.

Kresnier wrote:Now about the money, I am still very young, I have my whole life to save money, I just plan to know to increase my ideas on what else I could do on water.

Of course, if that is REALLY what you want to do. But it is a massive, massive set up with many people building it for you and that type of thing would be done for television cameras and huge audiences. Just letting you know if you had any other ideas.

Was that suppose to be offensive towards me? I don't even like Ellusionist's products, all their material is for begginners. You don't know the level that I'm at magic. I seek things that have a truth meaning in performing them, not useless material. You didn't have to be so rude!

He wasn't. He was mearly making a joke which wasn't suggesting your magical abilites in the slightest. And anyway, E isn't only for beginners, they help beginners, but have you seen, for example, Silver Dream? I doubt a beginner would get that down in an hour...

Also, their material is hardly useless. Some of the stuff gets amazing reactions. I can't believe I'm defending E as I don't really like their clever advertising and fancy words but still, what you said was quite a large generalisation.

Kresnier wrote:Was that suppose to be offensive towards me?

Unlikely, it was probably intended more as just a bit of light hearted humour!

Like LeftEye and Mandrake said I didn't mean anything by it.

Hmmm... someone boasting that he's going to do a rare and bloody expensive illusion who gets defensive easily and suggests that he's further along in his knowledge and "level" of magic than some are giving him credit for???

Pardon if I'm taking this the wrong way but I get the funny feeling that someone "more vested" into magic... especially major stage magic, would have a clue as to where to go when it comes to this sort of unique piece; there's only so many prime sources out there and the rule of thumb would be to ask John Gaughan, Bill Smith, Jim Stinemeyer or the crew at Owens when it comes to most ANY major piece of magic. These have been the GO TO sources for decades and someone that's actually vested in this side of magic would know that... at least last I checked.

On-line and in these forums the main people most will ask when it comes to big illusions will be... Oh! Me and possibly Dale Shrimpton there aren't many others that I'm familiar with on these boards who have as much a background The Bunny Hutch has a couple who know their stuff on this level, like Lee Alex and there's one or two over at the green slime pit but as a rule of thumb, few genuine Illusionists are on these forums (and do know that owning a couple of big props does not make an "illusionist").

Now the whole Walking on Water thing has been a "stunt" exploited in magic for well over 40 years if not longer... even Hollywood and Broadway have worked out ways of using acrylic sheets beneath the water as a classic gag in order to sell this idea (not how most make it happen though). It is not a practical effect at any level but I really think someone needs to take a few deep breaths and recognize that even through the limitations found in forum talk, there's just certain information that the seasoned performers or collectors for that matter, can see and pick up from one another. We know when someone has some factual experience and knowledge vs. when we are dealing with an amateur with big dreams... sadly, not only does your question suggest such but your reactions and defensive posturing more or less underline the fact that you are a bit "green" when it comes to this side of the craft e.g. I'd suggest you come down to earth a bit, understanding that some of us don't mind helping when we are helping someone that isn't trying to play us... I feel rather played, given your actions however...

Kresnier wrote:I read that Penn and Teller were going to perform how to walk on water, but their show ended before they were able to perform it.

The guy that told you that they sent him a mail was most likely a lie, there isn't a "magician channel" I never saw anything about them doing nothing on my local news.

ok I think Craig has pretty much covered everything you need to know, but with regards to your pissy response to me, Penn & Teller are still very much playing shows in vegas. By all accounts they are not far off retiring, considering Teller is almost 60 and are looking to do this trick as a kind of send off. I can guarantee you that I was not lied to. You might not believe me, but you also believe you can walk on water...

I don't even want to get into trouble in here, I admire this website alot because people are honest and very helpful. The information is always quality.

I might not be as great as many of you now, but I will excel with experience over time, I have been doing my research, I have been looking for sources, I have not just relied on you guys.

I thought that it was a criticism against me when that guy said that "You can't learn it from a Ellusionist DVD" You can't "read" humor in online forums, especially in 2 sentences, I would've been able to understand that he was trying to be humorist if he would've said something else, but that.

Why are you critizing me by saying that "I'm a real ellusionist and you're just an ametur" How can I dare say that this was a humoristic statement at all? It sounded like a complete criticizism against me.

The money isn't the matter now, I will worry about that later on, you guys could've at least gave me some support, rather than remimding me about the money on every post.

I want to apologize if I seemed rude, but I am just telling the complete truth. I find this a place where magicians can be honest with themselves and others, it's very rare nowadays to find that.

Ellusionist basically wants to rip-off people, I'm sure that most of you have noticed, just because I'm young doesn't necessarily means that I'm the typical teenagers that gets led to Ellusionist, I like to explore on the magicians on the past. Older material seems more quality material to me.

A perfect example would be like Daryl's complete card encyclopedia, this is a million times way better than Ellusionist's card tricks.

Kresnier

I understand you feeling attacked and I admit, my previous post was a bit of a spanking but it was due to your reaction to the Ellusionist comment... and you should strive to be anything but an Ellusionist or a Penguin for that matter.

I do feel a bit odd when you refer to Daryl's book as "older stuff" given I remember when he wrote that and it wasn't all that long ago Then again, I am a fan of the older stuff (we're talking Thurston & Dante era here) and there is a quality to what they did which no longer exists... I'll agree with you on that.

It's great to be eager and have dreams but as I said in the above, someone who is actually invested into specific areas of magic can always tell when they are communicating with someone that really is playing within their field or not. We can also tell, such as in your case, when someone is simply looking for an explanation -- methods. If we break down what your situation is, this would be the truth of your initial question; you simply want to know "How" that bit was done.

Price gets tossed up because you are talking about something someone has invested tens of thousands of dollars into e.g. it is not some $50.00 off the shelf trick that gets randomly discussed. In fact, very few people actually know the full workings of the two methods I've mentioned in this this thread (including my self; I know some of the "basics" surrounding either system but I don't know everything about either method).

When that kind of secrecy and level of investment is involved, don't you think it logical that people aren't just going to share that sort of information for free?

I'm rather confident that Criss Angle forked out a rather huge royalty to Franz probably David Mendoza for his system. But Criss also has three full-time consultants on his payroll that are costing him a significant chunk of cash as well; legends like Johnny Thompson and Banachek.

Write this up as being an important lesson when it comes to grand illusion; it has to be a secret world for many reasons even though you can find the basic elements and information on how these are applied, somewhat freely.