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When working through RRTCM, i spent a good day on the short riffle shuffle section, but thinking back, i could have skipped the section and been alright...

If I have a tough, suspecting crowd, i might do one to punch through their doubt. Also, a riffle shuffle only puts cards 1-2 cards away from where they were, an overhand shuffe really mixes the cards.

Should I use it more often? would it give my tricks a harder hit, I'm not too read up on crowd control and mentalism, would it give my tricks a harder hit?

-Kent

Riffle Shuffle... Not often, but there is a good false riffle shuffle technique out there somewhere that is worth studying.

personally, i never use the overhand. the riffle is my baby..i use the standard, the zarrow, you got so many variations. in the hands, on the table, controls, false, one handed, behind the back, under the leg

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nah - i always use the riffle, because n the spec's mind it is more thorough mixing..you can control a card using the overhand...you cant with the riffle..

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...or so they think

Its quite easy to retain the top and bottom cards in a riffle shuffle, and I would think a spec would figure this out..
I often use a Hindu shuffle because most specs haven't ever seen cards shuffled in that way, and it's more visual than a overhand.

each to his own, but I regularyly pass/double undercut, riffle, false cut, present magicness

never in my 3 years of public performing, have i been caught.

but then again, what fits me may not fit you. it is just my personal opinion.

if the hindu works, go for it, i dont use that as much, because that doesnt fit the way i do things. i regularly have the card on top, rather than bottom, though in my ACR i have to use the hindu for one of my phases

it is always good to be able to do the 3 main types of shuffling though - dont consider it a waste! On more than on occasion i have false overhanded, and someone told be to riffle, so I had to do a blind riffle as well as a blind overhand before they were satisfied the cards were "mixed". If you have a stack, and the specs want a riffle, if you can blind riffle, you are set for life

I'd say the riffle shuffle works best because the audience really thinks it's impossible to do anything other than completely mix the cards up. The Hindu shuffle looks different and therefore I think more people would suspect it to be controllable.

Josh Clarke wrote:I'd say the riffle shuffle works best because the audience really thinks it's impossible to do anything other than completely mix the cards up. The Hindu shuffle looks different and therefore I think more people would suspect it to be controllable.

which of course, it certainly isn't

basically, what we are gonna be saying is do what works for you, but if you try summit and realise it doesnt suit you, then that is fine, but the good thing is that if you have thh skill, yet dont use it, you can still call upon it when the need arises, which is certainlly better than not having the skill at all

Hello Boys,

So, speaking as a bit of a road hustler, I use the table riffle. It's the way it's done in poker. Now based on statistics and such, if you're into that type of thing, it takes 7 riffles to completely randomize a deck. Most people (that is to say, the general public, I'd imagine do not know that. Then again, since poker is so common on tv, at least here in the Colonies, everybody sees the table riffle all the time. So, to master it is part of my job. Naturally, it makes a Steven's Cull a bit more challenging but challenging is where the art is.

I would think that a riffle looks more "authentic," to most folks, and anything else looks not a bit more folksy, which, depending upon what you are going for can be a tremendous advantage.

Hey, and if you're into cards, why not play with the Hindu and Riffle and all the rest. I mean, that's what fun is for.

Besides, nothing sounds so cool as a perfect riffle. At least to me.

Love,

Amanda Angeli

I think the riffle shuffle is something that should be incorporated into a routine to help eliminate suspicions an audience might have. If you only do shuffles that they don't see or don't see very often, they're going to think something's up.

P.S.

Kenneth wrote:an overhand shuffe really mixes the cards.

If you know the right technique, you can manipulate an overhand shuffle quite well.

monker59 wrote:I think the riffle shuffle is something that should be incorporated into a routine to help eliminate suspicions an audience might have. If you only do shuffles that they don't see or don't see very often, they're going to think something's up.

P.S.

Kenneth wrote:an overhand shuffe really mixes the cards.

If you know the right technique, you can manipulate an overhand shuffle quite well.

To elaborate on Monker's statements, Richard Turner's "The Cheat" shows how well pretty much all shuffles can be manipulated. His double Zarrow shuffle is very deceptive and I'm probably going to use it a ton. I think it was Darwin Ortiz, though, who said the strip out shuffle is ultimately more convincing since the sleight comes after the suspicions die.

I try to use a wide range of shuffles, hindu, riffle, overhand. There are certain situations where one shuffle is better than another one so it's good to have a range that you can use.

I love the riffle shuffle, also it is one of the most widely known shuffle over here to mix the cards. Therefore it is a very deceptive tool, although I do use all of the shuffles. I figure why not learn them all as they all have their uses and it keeps the specs guessing.

At the minute I'm perfecting the triumph routine with the in the hand f***e riffle shuffle. I think it really adds to the effect as the spec actually gets to see the cards being interlaced together and brought together with a waterfall. (Then a final crafty swing cut ).

Riffle shuffles are an important distraction, if nothing else.

Audibly and visually, a blind, false or regular riffle shuffle in the hands is a practically naturally occurring move for me.

Don't get me wrong—I am not a fan of flourishes or fancy-poncey cuts and shuffles during a magic effect—but I find that a riffle shuffle just flows.

I am a little concerned that you feel you could have skipped the chapter, to be honest.

Kenneth wrote:Its quite easy to retain the top and bottom cards in a riffle shuffle, and I would think a spec would figure this out..

When I riffle shuffle a stripper deck, I retain the object card four or five cards off the top or bottom. I can then show that I've not retained the card if needs be and continue by overhand shuffling it to the bottom then back to the top, or haymow it to the middle - whatever!

If you want to see how far you can go with the riffle shuffle, get hold of "Charles Jordan's Best Card Tricks" by Karl Fulves (Dover). I saw it in my local Borders.

Barry