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Postby mathsgeek » Jul 6th, '07, 13:15



hi im a relatively new in magic. just wondering when you practice, do you videotape yourself? or do you just practice in front of the mirror? how much time do you spend on perfecting each tricks? i know there isnt a definite answer and definitely varies from tricks to tricks, from person to person. but i just wanna have a rough idea. some times i have been practising ages for a particular trick and it goes well every time i practise on my own. but i just dont have the confidence of performing. do i have to talk a lot (either for friendly reason or for distraction) during a performance? ive been to different magic show and some of the magicians do talk a lot whereas some hardly do! Thanks! :)

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Postby Lady of Mystery » Jul 6th, '07, 14:44

I always use videos instead of a mirror. A mirror gives you instant feedback and I always find that I adjuct what I'm doing. A video doesn't give you that and lets you see where you're really going wrong.

Just keep on practicing until you feel confidant to perform, getting out there and performing for the first time is always hard but the more you do it, the more confidant you'll get.

As for talking, that really depends on your style and routine. I use alot of patter when I'm doing close up but I've also got a silent routine.

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Postby Mandrake » Jul 6th, '07, 15:03

Wise words from one who knows a bit about magic:
Paul Daniels wrote:Do not practice in front of a mirror. If you do, you will find yourself staring at your hands to see whether you can see yourself making the 'moves.' That's a bad idea! 'Mirror magicians' frequently blink every time they make a 'secret' move because psychologically they don't want to see their mistakes. It's a bad trap to fall into. By all means use a video camera, and 'work to the camera' as if it is your audience, but then view the playback VERY CRITICALLY! Do not kid yourself, do not lie to yourself, do not praise yourself falsely.


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Postby ace of kev » Jul 6th, '07, 15:23

I also find that I stare at the screen to see what I am doing when practicing (if i am using a video camera). the best thing to do IMO, is to video yourself but switch off the monitor or cover any other means of viewing it :)

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Postby Michael Jay » Jul 6th, '07, 15:43

It is a rare occurrence when I will disagree with Mr. Daniels, genius that he is, but I must disagree on this one...I have a stand that I use when practicing any given piece. It is an old vanity dresser with a large, tri-fold mirror. This allows me to see the different angles simultaneously.

But, that is my express purpose for it - to figure out which angles are bad in any given sleight and to work out covers for those angles. I do believe that "mirror practice" could become a bad thing if used improperly, which, I feel, is what Mr. Daniels is getting at.

I don't use video at all. Not only do I find that to be a cost prohibitive resource, I also find it to be too much in the line of set up, just to practice a simple move or even rehearse a full scale routine.

In any given rehearsal, I imagine my audience in their place - for walk around, close up, I imagine the audience seated at their table and I rehearse at my kitchen table. I look at the empty seats and imagine that the folks are sitting there. I look at them, I talk to them, I treat the whole rehearsal as if I were actually doing it in real time. I do not use a mirror for this, nor do I use a video camera...I use my imagination. If I'm rehearsing a stand up or stage act, then I have my table with my equipment and I imagine my audience out in their seats. If I need an assistant, I choose one, call them up, treat them as if they were real and go about my full rehearsal in this way. Again, no mirror or vid.

The mirror is strictly there to watch my angles in practice. And, there is a difference between practice and rehearsal.

do i have to talk a lot (either for friendly reason or for distraction) during a performance?


Nobody can answer this question for you, it is intimate to your performance and how you view yourself in front of an audience. I may talk a lot, you may be uncomfortable with that. You cannot be become comfortable being something that you are not. If you want to be comfortable becoming something that you are not, then magic isn't the answer, but rather formal lessons in acting would be the way to go.

So, you script your work prior to any given performance to suit your own personality. For thoughts on scripting and rehearsal, click here. You see, this is hard work if you honestly want your performance to come off as smooth and magical.

Sadly, most people seem to think that you learn a trick and go forth and fool and entertain your audience. It just ain't that simple. You not only have to learn your sleights to perfection, but you have to learn your entire performance to perfection. This requires hard work and great dedication. It also seperates the men from the boys (and the women from the girls). Anyone can present puzzles, few will become magicians.

The problem with magic is that we, as magicians, are the script writers, the directors, the technical consultants and the performers. That is a tall order.

So, the best that you can do is spend the time to script your material, practice your sleights, rehearse your peformance then get out there and do it. By performing, you get the chance to see what works and what doesn't. If it doesn't work, you get rid of it. If it does work, you keep it.

The only possible way of being able to judge what works and what doesn't is to know your routine forward, backward and upside down before you ever show it to anyone. If you've achieved that level of refinement, then you can step outside of yourself during your performance and watch the audience, rather than your hands. Now, there are times when directing attention means that you must watch your hands, but you are still capable of being fully conscious of everything happening around you. And therein is where you start becoming the magician that you want to be.

how much time do you spend on perfecting each tricks? i know there isnt a definite answer and definitely varies from tricks to tricks, from person to person. but i just wanna have a rough idea.


You've basically answered your own question. I do have some further thoughts, though.

The amount of time needed to get any given trick down comes with time and experience. If you do an Ambitious Card Routine, then you are very familiar with the DL. Later down the road, you need to learn a trick that uses a DL, but is not the Ambitious Card. Well, you already are studied and practiced with a DL, so you will learn the trick much more quickly than someone who is learning a DL for the very first time in their life.

Therefore, experience also dictates the speed at which you learn a trick.

Nevertheless, you are still going to need time to rehearse the overall performance, no matter how experienced you are. I strongly recommend that you don't fool yourself into believing that you can simply learn the trick with no time given to scripting and just start doing the trick. Of course, it can be done, but it won't have half the polish of a professionally minded individual that takes the time to script, rehearse and, more importantly, routine the material.

For thoughts on routining, click here (you'll have to scroll down, just a bit). Like I said, doing magic rather than showing puzzles requires work and dedication.

Best wishes in your journey.

Mike.

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Postby smokin_doritos » Jul 9th, '07, 02:42

One thing that I have found that helps when practicing is preforming in front of friends and family. Now of course I don't reveal the secret or trick but instead I ask for what secrets or sleights they noticed and what they thought were my strong points. I also ask for suggestions on performance and the ammount of patter I use. Too much? Too little? Do I need more jokes or do I need to relate to my audience more. I find that you can practice with an audience like this without being 100% sure that you can pull off the trick.......who cares if your brother knows how you did part of your trick? Good luck ;)

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Postby mathsgeek » Jul 9th, '07, 13:06

cheers everyone!

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Postby Jae » Jul 12th, '07, 02:55

Some excellent advice and comments there.

I have found that the best practice is done in front of other members of my local circle. It can do a great job of simulating nerves too. Not only do you have to 'perform' but you get an honest appraisal and tips. I may just be lucky but I have found all of the members are happy to spend quite long periods of agony and repetition in order to help. Beware of using family and friends as they may be too diplomatic and won't necessarily spot faults you develop.

Obviously it's not possible to have a circle member permanently on tap - unless you are also into kidnapping. I prefer to role play or use video as the reversed effect in a mirror confuses me and I end up confusing myself as well as looking in the 'wrong' re misdirection but a combination of methods must be the best overall.

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Postby smokin_doritos » Jul 12th, '07, 05:44

Yes I do agree. Family can be biased or not very helpful but they are better then no one. I find if I perform, like you say, to peers then they tend to be more helpful. ;)

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Postby Schwen » Jul 12th, '07, 10:12

If you perform to your brother or sister, you'll generally find they don't hold back if they see something wrong! My sister can't wait to tell me if she sees something dodgy or I do something wrong! I think that goes with being a teenager though. makes for good practice, that's for sure

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Postby greedoniz » Jul 12th, '07, 10:19

I always run through a new effect until I believe I've got it and then show my other half who will then not only tell me if she saw anything fishy but also whether she likes it too. Both a Quality control and a reviewer in one....and a tough critic she is too

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Postby Schwen » Jul 12th, '07, 10:25

I forgot to add, on the other end of the scale, I have a couple of friends, who are.... well they really wanna believe in magic and tend not to burn your hands or realie what you are doing. It's always good to have a couple of people like that to practice to, people who will generally enjoy the trick and give you a nice confidence boost.

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