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Bananachek wrote:Over half of my tricks I've gotten down in 2 hours flat.

Hmmm...

That just about says it all I think!

seige wrote:

Bananachek wrote:Over half of my tricks I've gotten down in 2 hours flat.

Hmmm...

That just about says it all I think!

You're right. It says that I don't spend hours and hours a day practicing magic like 90% of the people on these boards. Sorry I'm a fast learner with a life.

Oh dear.

seige wrote:Oh dear.

Is there a problem?

I was merely indicating that you're obviously the impatient sort.

You can't 'have a trick down' in 2 hours. Patter, audience testing, practicing?

And it also makes sense of your initial post in this thread—the fact that you want everything right now, without thinking first.

The whole magic industry is based around taking your time, having a bit of patience.

Please—someone correct me if I'm wrong.

seige wrote:I was merely indicating that you're obviously the impatient sort.

You can't 'have a trick down' in 2 hours. Patter, audience testing, practicing?

And it also makes sense of your initial post in this thread—the fact that you want everything right now, without thinking first.

The whole magic industry is based around taking your time, having a bit of patience.

Please—someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Alright bananachek, sure you'll remember how to do the necessary sleights and all in 2 hours. Congrats. Seige has brought up a point I think you're somewhat missing. Without patter and misdirection for your trick, there's a good chance when performing it, it'll go belly up.

So as to correcting you seige, you're absolutely, 100% correct. He is rather impatient with magic. Bananachek, if it's tricks that are self-working or behind-the-back tricks, then I'll believe you. Any others, and you're going to go belly up. Take you're trick you got down in 2 hours and go to a mall, perform for people who seem intelligent with good eye sight. Do it several times, not just 1-1 have it 1-5 or more from all angles. Then see how you fair out without patience in practicing.

seige wrote:I was merely indicating that you're obviously the impatient sort.

You can't 'have a trick down' in 2 hours. Patter, audience testing, practicing?

And it also makes sense of your initial post in this thread—the fact that you want everything right now, without thinking first.

The whole magic industry is based around taking your time, having a bit of patience.

Please—someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I'll do the honors. What you said is true for some people. Yes, you can have a trick down in 2 hours. You can have a trick down in 5 minutes. Everyone is different. People like you drive me crazy. The type of people who think that just because they prefer to take weeks and weeks on a single effect, everyone who does anything differently is wrong.

It's the same way with music. For every great musician out there today, there is probably at least one other person in the world who has practiced twice as much, and is only half as good.

Just because you like to take forever on one trick doesn't mean I have to in order to be considered a "good magician".

No... what I say is true for ANYONE practicing magic.

I would term it the 'quick fix' syndrome. You're typical of the new-wave of 'I want it, now, and I will perform it, now' magic hobbyists.

Fortunately, this is how most people start out, and you'll hopefully see the light and some sense eventually—if you are going to pursue this as anything more than a flash in the pan.

You may *understand* an effect within two hours, but mastering magic can take anywhere up to a lifetime of dedication.

And your music analogy is again proof that you're not thinking things through before spouting them.

If you were half serious about magic, we'd not be having this discussion. And if you had an ounce of willingness to learn—as do all magicians—you'd take heed of it.

There's a lot of well-seasoned professionals here—probably a lot more than on the boards you've been banned from—and their advice will be valuable. Listen to it, learn from it, and try and be grateful for it.

seige wrote:No... what I say is true for ANYONE practicing magic.

I would term it the 'quick fix' syndrome.

If you were half serious about magic, we'd not be having this discussion. And if you had an ounce of willingness to learn—as do all magicians—you'd take heed of it.

You may *understand* an effect within two hours, but mastering magic can take anywhere up to a lifetime of dedication.

And your music analogy is again proof that you're not thinking things through before spouting them.

Okay, right, let's go with what you say.

From now on, I'll lock myself in my room for weeks on end every time I receive a new trick. I won't even catch the light of day until I have 100% completely mastered the trick and can do it better than anyone else on Earth.

All I'm saying is not once has my audience called me on a trick saying "Wow, you really should practice that for a good 4 or 5 more hours, as your presentation was a little sloppy. I could just tell by watching you that you threw that trick together in a few minutes"

They've never seemed to have a problem with it, and neither have I. Just get over the fact that not everyone needs to spend as much time as you on one trick.

2 hours to get a trick perfect? I think that's a bit of a stretch. 2 hours and you can perform it - but have you gone right out and performed an effect for someone that's NOT a friend or relative? Try taking an unrefined effect out to a real audience though, and you'll discover about a dozen glitches in your routine - all of which will be pointed out by your audience.

However, I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. There is much to say for "natural talent". So - next time you buy an effect, I'd like you to post a video after 2 hours and show us just how perfect it is. You recently bought Nemesis (I think that was you), and reviewed it. Go ahead and post up a video of that effect and let us judge how perfect the effect it.

As for music - Find me a guitarist that can outplay Steve Vai. Talent gives you an advantage - but talent and hard work/practice is the perfect mixture.

Just out of curiousity:

Where do you get your magic from?
Where do you perform?
How old are you?

Bananachek, I thought this thread was about your shipping and receiving problem. Wait a second! You seem to be so amazing, what do you need shipped? Surely someone like you getting everything down in 2 hours doesn't need complete instructional videos! Just take a few more hours and you'll get it by yourself, make the gimmick, whatever it takes Mr. 2 Hours!

Face it, you can understand how to do a trick in 2 hours, sure fine, fair enough. Practice in your room 24/7, great idea. You're being too bloody sarcastic and ignorant to understand what seige is saying. Let me break it down for you. He's not saying to huddle in a closet and practice for days on end. He's saying you're rushing too fast. You're forgetting the misdirection. How can it take you 2 hours to learn it. Instructional videos are at least 2 hours long so even if you practice during it, that's just a walkthru. Do it by yourself, unless you show it the moment the DVD ends.

How about we drop your amazing 2 hour "get-it-all" and resume what this thread was about.

Demitri wrote:You recently bought Nemesis (I think that was you), and reviewed it. Go ahead and post up a video of that effect and let us judge how perfect the effect it.

Definitely bought it 2 years ago. Might be a little late.

Actually—seeing as this thread was pretty much pointless to begin with—and it's doing nothing but go round in circles—let's just lock the thread and let Bananachek use his time more wisely to go and practice.