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abraxus wrote:you can only say "hey, im worried about you mate..." once or twice...

Spot on.

Advice given to the worried friends and family of smokers is to casually and gently mention the possibility of quitting a maximum of three times a year. More than that and it's nagging which will have the opposite effect.

i said it once, very blunty to a woman mate of mine, i just told her "oy, you know in a decade's time, when you'll be wanting kids...well, there's a good chance the bits you'll need for it will of been chopped out of your body by then the rate that you're smoking..."

she stopped that night...she felt sick...

but for the main, whatever vice people have, a showing of concern can quickly seem like a nag...

lozey wrote:

beeno wrote:
And saying things like "This time with canabis and over 20 ecstacy tablets in his blood. He died." is just ludicrous.
It's like saying "He'd been flicked around the ears a bit, and repeatedly stabbed in the chest. He died.

As a matter of fact, it isnt ludicrous and I consider that an insult. Don't insult my professional knowlege. The fact that he had been smoking cannabis contributed to his death as was confirmed by the doctors. If I wasn't under oath I could give you his name, age, the date and the hospital he died at.

I understand you may think such drugs are harmless, thats you perogative, but unless you're a paramedic, doctor or nurse you have no right to tell me that cannabis is flick around the ears.

I think what he meant was that cannabis while bad for you (in the longterm) isn't likely to kill you unlike ecstacy or other drugs but mixing them helped contribute to his death than if he'd just taken cannabis or ecstacy alone. I've dabbled with cannabis but wouldn't touch anything stronger but I've read about all the people who have died taking just one ecstacy pill so 20 seems really stupid so you're right he didn't deserve a second chance. Drugs are bad but you're always going to get people who use them regardless of the consequences.

Hello Beard I wont offer you any platitudes about this. But I would cut him lose. My brother takes stuff and if he ends up in the slammer or his grave then so be it. Although he says he wont try heroin peace of mind or what?

Yes I have tried some stuff once or twice only once or twice mind you and if I died from it then its my own fault for being a moron. I have no sympathy for people who over dose etc. like when you hear on the news “bright student found dead due to cooking up some heroin” cant be that bright can he?

Beard cut the man lose for when he turns in to a dope fiend he wont give two hoots about you.

I remember I used to smoke it when I was younger but one night I smoked too much greened out and woke up the next morning face down in the middle of the road with puke next to me and could'nt breathe properley for the next 3 years after that and I quit there and then and that was 7 years ago and I haven't touched it since. So my point is maybe buy him the biggest amount of cannibis possible tie him to his bed and force him to smoke it all then throw him on the street to give him the wake up call he needs. No seriously just quitly have a word with him and give him the numbers to the hotline and that's all you can really do mate.

lozey wrote:

beeno wrote:
And saying things like "This time with canabis and over 20 ecstacy tablets in his blood. He died." is just ludicrous.
It's like saying "He'd been flicked around the ears a bit, and repeatedly stabbed in the chest. He died.

As a matter of fact, it isnt ludicrous and I consider that an insult. Don't insult my professional knowlege. The fact that he had been smoking cannabis contributed to his death as was confirmed by the doctors. If I wasn't under oath I could give you his name, age, the date and the hospital he died at.

I understand you may think such drugs are harmless, thats you perogative, but unless you're a paramedic, doctor or nurse you have no right to tell me that cannabis is flick around the ears.

And if he had alcohol in his system, then you'd be on here doing the same?
If he had say, paracetamol in his system, then wouldn't that also contribute to his death? Would you be on here saying the same about paracetamol?

If he had 20 paracetmol in his system then yes its the same point.

i have smoked weed in the past.. just the occasionally one spliff every six months and never bought my own.. im not stupid.. i like the stuff.. but am clever enough to know never to get addicted or do it regulalry.. and i havent in about 2 years now.. I even tried coke once.. but only when I was too wasted to be bothered with saying no..

anywho.. i dont really have a point to it all.. i dont see a point to it.. drugs are bad M'k!!??!!

the occasional reefer is ok.. but I know some crackheads.. who sniff way too much coke and it sends them nuts.. i get scared around em.. and im a tough guy..

anywho.. get him off em.. depending on the person.. not everyone gets addicted.. i didnt .. couldnt.. but others get reliant.. then its bad..

I.D wrote:I have smoked weed in the past.. just the occasionally one spliff every six months and never bought my own.. im not stupid.. I like the stuff.. but am clever enough to know never to get addicted or do it regulalry.. and I havent in about 2 years now.. I even tried coke once.. but only when I was too wasted to be bothered with saying no..

anywho.. I dont really have a point to it all.. I dont see a point to it.. drugs are bad M'k!!??!!

the occasional reefer is ok.. but I know some crackheads.. who sniff way too much coke and it sends them nuts.. I get scared around em.. and im a tough guy..

anywho.. get him off em.. depending on the person.. not everyone gets addicted.. I didnt .. couldnt.. but others get reliant.. then its bad..

Famous last words my man. Everything can be adictive even buying magic But it can lead on to other stuff I ve seen it and I ve also seen people get a messed up head from it too.

yeh.. i got that addiction real bad.. but magic is a healthy drug me thinks??!! then again, who am I to say> Im addicted!!

beeno wrote:And if he had alcohol in his system, then you'd be on here doing the same?
If he had say, paracetamol in his system, then wouldn't that also contribute to his death? Would you be on here saying the same about paracetamol?

The problem that Blapsing Beard asked about was cannabis and drugs not alcohol, so i have not mentioned these. Of course high quantities of paracetamol would also have contributed, as ODs of paracetamol cause slow degenarating (and often very painful) liver failure that cannot be reversed by medical treatment. Actually he had neither paracentamol nor alcohol in his body.

May I point out that personally attacking me for my experience is not going to help Beard make informed choices about how to help his friend

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Mr Jay I take it you partake in the reefer? If not my humblest apologies but those who defend it often partake in it.

Now during the 60s where people turned on tuned in and dropped out and went on there “mystical” journeys and wore flowers in there hair I am sure it was great. Then again I wasn’t there so there fore I cant really speak about it.

But I tell you someone well more like something that has died from the partaking of the harmless reefer, society. If those who tuned in and all that nonsense actually stopped with there free love and smoking pot maybe they would have had time to bring there kids up properly and there fore the kids would have brought these up properly but that didn’t happen 9 times out of 10.

What about the mounting evidence that Miss Marry Jane is a cause of psychosis. Billy the nutter smokes it of he goes on a rampage or kills him self .

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I used to smoke it, and the worse thing it did for me was get me addicted to nicotine.
Giving up the weed was easy (as I realised I was actually smoking it for the tobacco ), giving up the fags was so difficult. I was literally curled up on my bed at one time gasping for a fag! And the amount of chewed up lollypop sticks scattered around was quite something.
Havent smoked in about 3 years now. I was taken into hospital recently and had to have the usual checks. I couldnt believe it, my resting heart rate (resting as in sitting in hospital after quite a horrible ordeal, sitting next to a suicidal patient and one on armed guard) was 58...I'm a chuffing athlete now baby!
Many people are saying that someone must quit for themselves. I actually disagree. I found it easier to quit for someone else, as I didn't want to let them down. I tried to quit for myself many times, but didn't mind letting myself down (in fact I think I quite encouraged it!).