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Hi guys I need your help

recently (hopefully) I invented 3 new card sleights / moves

the Downpass
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UZr-nVWYvw

the Rub Change (actually the original move was a vanish (forgot the name) but i modified it a little to make a color change out of it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyALVuGaKqo

the Tilt&Cop Change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODG0_4UU0vA

I dont know if anyone else created these move or anything similar to this so
it be nice if you would check them out^^

Comments and Critisicm are appreciated

aavelyn

like the rubchange...
know how to do it though but for a laymen that is awesome if u use it in a routine like voile rouge (is it spelled like that) or another back changing routine...

Well the downpass i don't like that much...

Great job though.

Your from Germany too?

yap^^ never heard of "karlsruhe" ?!^^
we are making the laws here hrhr
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yeah the downpass i think is only usefull if you want to fool magicians since it looks exactly like the classic pas

Karlsruhe?? I know where that is, hehe. I live about 20 km up the S1 tram line to the south. That's at least while I'm not at university in England.

the rub change is very nice.

I like the idea of the downpass, and love the rub change. The tilt&cop change, I'm not so keen on. The one negative I have about the rub change (which is my favourite of the three), is that when you take the card from the top of the deck to the mat, your movements are a bit jerky, which immediately sets off alarm bells in my head. I can understand the reason for this, but if the move could be slowed down a tad and made slightly smoother, I think that it could be made that bit more effective.

hey thx guys

@cymru: ehh i think i cant quite follow which part you mean^^ mabye you could give me the time of the video?
thx nevertheless^^

aavleyn

i live the rubchange, but i think it would help to slow down the hand with the deck in it as you take it away. you wouldnt have to worry about the card being a different color anyway, just the placement, but you could always make it messy. then you wouldnt have to worry about it.

downpass is a great variation of the pass.

the third one felt a little forced, maybe if you cleaned it up a little?

I'm not sure how original they are, but there's some good thinking going on.

I've been doing a move that's exactly like the downpass for a while now (and I know I didn't create it), so I think you have more a variation of an existing sleight, not a completely original one. One other comment, though it's more about the angle of your camera than technique. From the perspective of your video, it's very obvious what's going on with your pass. My suggestion for these kinds of videos is to pick a better angle.

The rub change is nice. Like the others have said, it needs to be slowed down. Given what you're doing, you can very easily make this a slow effect, as your hand will cover the dirty work. Also - the "get ready" for the rub is suspicious. Think like a spectator. Ask yourself "why am I handling the card like that?" If it's just one card, why does it look like you're being so careful with how you move it around.

The tilt and cop change just seems impractical. The handling makes it hard to CATCH - but it's also incredibly suspicious. When the "magic" happens, you're tilting the card away from view. Any break of the field of vision in these kinds of effects needs to be minimal. Think of other color changes where a card is blocked from view - notice that it's quick, and that it shouldn't cause a break in the flow of the effect. The thinking here is solid, I just don't think that particular sleight lends itself to a strong color change variation.

Nice work. Keep it up!

well i come from bonn tahts why...

of course I know karlsruhe gonna study medieninformatik there...

so long
danny

hey thx for hte comments!!

@da_danny: ^^ well gonna see ya soon perhaps

@demitri: i actually wannted the angle so you can see that its the same pass motion. But of course your right normally it should be covered.
And there is something else, i think some of you will think i adjusted the break under the ace, but the break is really above as it would be in the original classic pass.

The tilt&Cop change was just something that sprang into my mind before i made this thread. I was working on a variation of the erdnase change so you will only see one face-up card after the change but I ended but with the tiltchange...
yeah it is quite impractical...I tried it in front of the mirror...^^

about the rubchange: I think I should just make the get ready move familiar... you know, originally it was just a vanish, so I could just perfom it before the change

thx to everyone

hey sry for this double post, but I didnt want to make an extra thread so here
i got a new cut. First I didnt want to put it online..but i think its quite worthy its predecessor^^

I am quite sure im the first one^^, I called it
the dragonfly cut.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAogwueHWgY

the idea is form the butterly cut (sound familiar? )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh3YDIYb7Zo

hope you like it

OK...

I'm not sure the pass you've 'created' is unique at all. The pass is (and has) been used to control a card to the top OR the bottom of the deck. I am quite sure this is documented in almost every card sleight handbook.

Secondly...

I like the idea of the rub change, but it's not new either :O

Thirdly...

There's FAR TOO MUCH messing around with the cop thing (the third vid) to make it anything but scary.

Your thinking is great, but there's nothing new to any of it.

If you've come up with this stuff independently, then you need a pat on the back, as you're obviously thinking like a card magician!

uuhhh that was a heavy blow :D^^
but thx a lot seige!
well I did for myself "created" those things independently. (patting myself on the back^^)
The idea might be not new but I think its also the technique, how the result was achieved.

perhaps I should reveal the technic I used?

Of course the rub chang is nothing "new" but I never saw or heard anyone using it as an instance change...

to the cop change i only agree like i do with all the others^^=> impractical

greez aavelyn

I find myself agreeing with Seige. I'm not seeing anything horribly original but the thinking is great and you are definetly thinking. I do have however have a 'however'. Doing just sleights on Youtube is a huge mistake. There is no routine no misdirection the pass was obvious However if you had done it in the context of an effect I believe it would have been much harder to spot. That could be my cynical eye. And your dragonfly cut is fantastic, I don't know if was original as I don't know the history but I really enjoyed your performance of it. I think you are doing great.