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i know this sounds odd and stupid but what do u guys reckon is the best retention coin vanish as ive seen lots of variations with 'snapping' and different manuvers (spelling mistake) and i was wondering which people think would be the best for a beginner eg. bobos, sankeys, silvers etc... also if you could include a link with a video of the trick being done it'd be greatly appreciated.. thanks...
joecarr14

Bobo has so many great ones. I do like what I think he claims as his (though I think I saw the same retention vanish in the Tarbell Course)

I'll try to get a video up some time in the next couple days

"Retention of vision" is a physiological effect wherein the retina retains an image of an item (in this case, a coin) for a fraction of a second after the hand closes around the item (shiny coins work particularly well for this effect).

Of course there are various methods and versions of sleights that employ the retention of vision effect - it really can be a powerful tool when used properly. David Roth employs retention of vision to great effect and teaches his method in "Expert Coin Magic Made Easy," which can be found on DVD through L&L. Of worthy note is that his method comes straight out of the pages of Bobo.

Because of this, I recommend that you pick up a copy of Bobo. "Modern Coin Magic" is encyclopedic and many folks have found it difficult, at best, to read through. I suggest that if you get Bobo, take a look at the Bobo study guide, found starting here. Hopefully that will help you along with the tome.

Further, I would suggest that you learn to routine your material, rather than looking for a single trick. By routining your material, you not only increase the strength of your magic tricks but you cover a great deal of what your doing by hiding it inside of layered presentation, which makes reconstruction nigh on impossible for your spectators.

As an example, you do a retention of vision vanish making the spectator believe that the coin is in the left hand, when it is actually in the right hand. You would then vanish the coin. Reaching into the air with your right hand, you pluck the coin from the air. Now, how hard is that for your spectators to realize that you simply kept the coin in the right hand to begin with? Not very hard at all.

So, hopefully, you can see that doing a single magic trick like that above is simply not very magical at all. If that trick above was part of an overall routine, however, then your spectators don't have time to analyze what has happened, becuase you are now offering them something more, keeping their attention on something new that is happening. Once finished, they will have a very hard time going back and reconstructing the various components of your overall routine.

So, learn to routine. And, routining is also taught in Bobo.

Get Bobo.

Mike.

ok thanks for taking the time to reply...
should i get bobos modern coin magic as an e-book for only 99p just for the time being and buy it when i have more money...
thanks again for the response both of you... and i know how to do the retention vanish i was wondering which would be best for a beginner... xD

Mike's got it wrapped up really but here's my tuppence worth...

Firstly yeah get Bobo in whatever form you can. When you can afford it I'd recommend the hard copy of the book and then the Magic Makers dvd too. Magic Makers aren't a particularly ethical company but the dvd is very good, your choice,

As for the vanish, I fiddled around with all the different methods before realising that they were only subtly different for a reason; they're all ways that people have evolved that's most comfortable for them. The best thing to do once you know the principle is to stand in front of a mirror and practice various ways of placing the coin in your hand until you find one that looks natural and convincing when you do it.

bronz wrote: Magic Makers dvd

I hate that DVD, it's so annoying to watch, which is a shame because it's quite informative.

Personally I'm a big fan of cheese in magic dvds. Probably that's because I learned to walk with L+L dvds so I've got many happy memories of awful jokes and corny magician cliches.

That said the guy who performs on the Bobo dvd really ought to stop grinning incessantly everytime he does a french drop. Very annoying.

I think it's mainly the "magical" music that makes me want to poke out my own eyes.

Not to mention his rediculous choice of jewellery.

rofl ive never seen this dvd or heard about it but your all making it sound very interesting.... cheese, grinning, music and jewellery? sounds more like a good night out lol..... thanks again im going to get bobos book once i have the money but the e-book atm is perfectly adequate... im also wondering where the best place to buy larger coins is because 2ps arent that impressive vanish what does everyone in england think is the best way to go???? thanks again for everyones replies...
joe carr14
and ps. ive learnt a good ROV vanish for now that im comfortable with... xD

When you've got the money together, I would recommend picking up "The New Modern Coin Magic" which has an additional 4 chapters (158 pages) that the original doesn't have.

Mike.

ok i will thanks but yeh im a bit broke atm.... maybe i need to learn misers dream..... pardon the pun

joecarr14 wrote:rofl ive never seen this dvd or heard about it but your all making it sound very interesting.... cheese, grinning, music and jewellery? sounds more like a good night out lol..... thanks again im going to get bobos book once I have the money but the e-book atm is perfectly adequate... im also wondering where the best place to buy larger coins is because 2ps arent that impressive vanish what does everyone in england think is the best way to go???? thanks again for everyones replies...
joe carr14
and ps. ive learnt a good ROV vanish for now that im comfortable with... xD

I prefer to use 2ps, mostly because it's just about the right size. The problem with using different coins to 'normal' (for want of a better word) currency is that I get the feeling people will think it's a gaff

As for the book, if you look on Amazon you can get it for about £2-3 (Without postage). It really is quite cheap! (And I echo everyone else when I say it's worth buying)

yeh foreign coins do seem like theres something not right but i just feel they will help my performance... and ill look up on amazon as ive never seen it that cheap...!!! thanks again joecarr14