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What a fantastic place to be You can now attack a 96 year old great grandfather, causing blindness in one eye, and still stay out of jail.

Protest against the government on speakers corner without written consent though, or miss a couple of council tax payments, and it's goodnight vienna

Makes you proud to be British doesn't it?

And call me old fashioned, but why was a 96 year old man, who needed 2 walking sticks, having to STAND on the tram in the first place?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1289443,00.html

stuff like this winds me up. no respect.

at least there are still some decent people

"Police said two school children who were on the tram chased Gordon and later gave evidence against him."

That's a complete joke!

The world's gone mad

Tragic though this is and the bloke certainly should have been jailed for a long time I think the idea of our society going down the tubes is a little bit of scare mongery

I think this may be apt:

The children now love luxury; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are tyrants, not servants of the households. They no longer rise when their elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize over their teachers."

I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on the frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was a boy, we were taught to be discrete and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly wise and impatient of restraint
Quote from Hesiod an 8th century monk

Human nature never changes...only mass coverage of events by a negative story hungry media

That is really really horrible, how can something like that happen? And why was he chased by two school children??? What were the other people doing while all this was going on?

probably turning the other way or stealing his wallet.

^^^ id go with the latter.... lol

Its simple build more prisons stick the criminals in them. Not rocket science isnt it?

Carlos75 wrote:What a fantastic place to be You can now attack a 96 year old great grandfather, causing blindness in one eye, and still stay out of jail.

I couldn't believe this either, when I read it this morning.

And call me old fashioned, but why was a 96 year old man, who needed 2 walking sticks, having to STAND on the tram in the first place?

Because he was just getting on? Just getting off? Had to stand up to let someone else off? If you're the kind of tool who punches a 96 year old man in the face, you aren't necessarily going to have the manners or patience to wait for him to get off/on.

I see it a lot on the Tubes and trains. There are people who are so rude as to shove their way on before waiting for passengers to get off, or who sit around for ages before deigning to rise and saunter to the exit, only to get uppity because the people wanting to board gave up waiting and wanted to get on before the train left.

Sadly, your immediate reaction might have been correct and this pensioner might have been standing because no one would let him sit down.

An armed society is a polite society.

Michael Jay wrote:An armed society is a polite society.

amen to that. Although most of nut cases are armed over here.

Lady of Mystery wrote:That is really really horrible, how can something like that happen? And why was he chased by two school children??? What were the other people doing while all this was going on?

Sadly, it's human nature to ignore things when someone's being attacked. Everyone thinks "someone else will deal with it", not wanting to get involved (and possibly hurt themselves).

I say good on the two lads for giving chase, it's always nice to see people brave and considerate enough to do so!

I've said it before and I'll say it again: bring back hard labour in prisons! A soon as people get nervous at the idea of spending 8 months or whatever being forced into back-breaking labour, they'll be a lot less ready to punch their way through life.

I really disagree with this "prison is for rehab" thing. Prison is for punishment, it's to slog out your debt to society created by harming it in some way. When they come out, sure, be nice - they've paid their dues, I'm now more than happy to help them get an honest job or stop being a thug or whatever - the more support the better. But don't let them off a hard time just because they've agreed to a few group therapy sessions and know how to sound genuine.

I think that it's funny that in countries that have tougher prison sentences, death penalties, hard labour, guns in society they general also have higher and more violent crime rates...hmmm funny that

Maybe a society can be judged on the way it treats its prisoners

I'm actually quite surprised that TM is full of lots of reactionary Daily Mail reader types...I'm waiting for someone to shout "Hangings to good for them"

Me personally would prefer to live in a world where the time and effort goes into working on why people become violent or turn to crime in the first place rather than just locking them up and throwing away the key as that addresses no issues or goes no way to solving the problem.
Yes, lock people up as punishment for their crime but why not teach them a legit trade or educate and empower them rather than just getting them to break rocks and turn their already negative feelings towards society even more.

an armed society is an ever increasing mad society...dont give mad people guns...

i much prefer the olden days, where we shoved the kids up chimneys, died in our mid-forties and carried swords...