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Ok back to topic...

All the BBM DVD's I've got are never forgotten about or left in my draw for too long. Just yesterday I re-watched Cullfather. So yeah I'll be buying this DVD

PS. I entered the competition, never win anything

Hi folks,

Just thought I'd drop in!

Glad you all seem to to be enjoying the new DVD!

Basically, the '4xFOUR' DVD is supposed to provide you with an arsenal of different methods of varying degrees of difficulty for whenever you need four of a kind for an effect. Even if you get one cool method for getting your four of a kind out - that's got to be better than the total 'dead time' of simply running through and up-jogging them - no? It's not 'high art' by any means, it doesn't cost the earth and we all had a great laugh shooting it - I think it shows!

Seige, thanks for the review - dynamite!

Beard - I think you're refering to the 'Window Change'? The 'F.M.O.B Change' does bear some similarites to it but you get into it differently and the cards are 'set' for the change differently. It's quick and easy to get into - and anybody who swung by the stall at Ipswich will tell you that the angles are very good for a change of this nature!

Bananafish - were you at Ipswich? Where have you seen me perfrom live out of curiousity?

Thanks folks,

All the best,

Dave.

Dave Forrest wrote:Bananafish - were you at Ipswich? Where have you seen me perfrom live out of curiousity?

Was I at Ipswich? Was I at Ipswich! Good grief man! (I'll pm you)

The DVD will give you lots of ideas on producing... but basic card technique and control isn't taught.

Hi, Seige --

I'm curious what your thoughts are on the 2 false cuts. Are they ones that will replace some of the standard ones? Just curious. Thanks for the input.

bananafish wrote:

Dave Forrest wrote:Bananafish - were you at Ipswich? Where have you seen me perfrom live out of curiousity?

Was I at Ipswich? Was I at Ipswich! Good grief man! (I'll pm you)

Sorry Simon,

I didn't make the connection at first - doh!

Dave.

I'll certainly be buying this DVD. Having purchased both The Trickery and 2WO Faced, I'm very impressed with Dave's material and it's well taught and gets excellent responses.

Is this one out yet?

Fortunately i was one of the lucky five that won a copy of this in the competition.
I say fortunately because it was probably something i wouldn't have considered buying otherwise and i would have missed out on a quality dvd.
Watched it through quickly yesterday and even though there are no specefic routines on there there is loads of usuable stuff and the colour change is simple but top notch.
As siege mentioned the comic style is probably something you'll either love or hate but i found it fun to watch and i've been searching the internet all night for one of those 3d erotic picture albums.
Good stuff.

OK, having re-watched last night, as promised...

4xFour review by Seige, part 2

Question: Are methods taught for shuffling and retrieving?
Yes. Although the deck DOES need setting up prior to the display, the methods shown for retrieving the 4x4 are shown. In most cases this is done via false shuffles and false cuts.
I think the idea is that this DVD is to be used in conjunction with what you already know... it's not going to make you an expert cardician from the get-go.

Question: Is this all it is, finding four of a kind?
No. Not at all. Although that is the ESSENCE, there are quite a few occasions on the DVD where the method/effect taught can be used totally standalone as a little 'routine-ette' or even a flourish. For instance, 'INSTANT ACES' is a fantastic display of four cards. It doesn't NEED anything else... it just IS COOL. But, as an ending to an effect, it would be great. THAT is the beauty of this DVD.

Question: You say the humour is weird... elaborate...?
In roundabout terms, let's compare to Jay Sankey. Or even Simon Lovell, or Bill Malone, or Bob Cassidy, or Richard Sanders, or David Stone, or Patrick Kuffs, or Mac King...
Now... not all of those guys keep the comedy soley in their performance... I think you see what I mean! But, when the QUALITY of the TEACHING outweighs or matches the slight irritation, then there's a great reason to put up with it.
Suffice to say, Dave and Owen have a really quirky sense of humour. But it's well worth persevering even if you don't like it.

Question: What is the skill level required?
There is no doubt in my mind that if you gave this DVD to someone who hadn't, for instance, read RRTCM, they would struggle badly.
Although it's not advanced, there's a few things mentioned which rely on experience. Breaks, double-undercuts, grips, holds... things that most of us take for granted really. Dave does a smashing and concise job of explaining the ins and outs of each unfamiliar sleight.

An experienced cardie will benefit, as will someone 'exploring' the world of card magic. But as I say, I would suggest that beginners beware.

Question: Can you REALLY pull four of a kind from a SHUFFLED DECK???
Of course!

Question: Why is there a colour change on there then?
The whole idea behind the DVD, as I can see, is interesting and new ways of producing four of a kind. The colour change shown could easily be adapted to do so.

Question: So, if I don't care about four of a kind, or I've never WANTED or NEEDED to produce or reveal four of a kind, why would I want this?
If you cannot drive, why would you want a car? Of course! So you can LEARN how to drive...

have this sitting here waiting to be viewed. handy living in brum next to Worldmagicshop

will post my thoughts tomorrow

Costas showed me his Gobsmacked effect, i was pleasantly surprised and it got added to cart

I have to agree with everything Siege has said. Not really anything to add really, BBM have done it again.

I was surpsied to find I actually found the comedy quite funny, it takes a lot to make me laugh and this production certainly did.

Some reveals were known to me, from various sources.. others were new. A nicely put together dvd. Not as great as the previous releases but still right up there.

8/10 from me. Well done

We've got to stop raving about BBM products, they're linking to us on their frickin' advertisement emails...!

Trouble is, the BBM stuff is such a breath of fresh air... it's WORTH shoulting about.

Wooo! I've just won the BBM competition and am receiving a free copy of this! Somebody loves me

well I understand that BBM has a reputation for high quality production values, so this is no doubt a good value for the money, but I watched the preview clip and have seen almost everything before in other areas. I am way more into flourishing (or "XCM") than magic, so that probably explains why it doesn't look like there is anything new here for me.

but this DVD looks like a good intro for magicians to get into the visual flourishing aspect of card work. as Seige said, my opinion from watching the preview is that it is "middle" skill level stuff.

magic in general needs to move torwards a higher ratio of effect to procedure for it to survive in today's generation of spectators. incorporating these flourishy moves into your magic (like the buck twins) is a great way to accomplish that.

I also don't think that color change looks very original , I mean with how you're covering it, an ego change would accomplish the same thing...

I try not to do this. I don't like it to look like I'm 'defending' my own stuff. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion and everything but regarding trashmanf's final comment and the comparison of my FMOB change to the EGO change...

Put plainly, it's a bad comparison. The actual mechanics of the two colour changes are basically the reverse of each other or certainly, the end result pertaining to the condition of the deck is entirely different after the colour change. I don't want to give too much away but let's use different coin vanishes as an example to illustrate the fundamental differences:

There are essentially two types of coin vanish. A 'put' vanish, eg. The Retention Vanish, or a 'take' vanish, eg. The French Drop. One or the other may prove more beneficial depending on the routine being constructed. In both moves, the coin disappears but, more often than not, the vanishing of the coin is not the important part. Good routining requires that thought goes into the position of the coins in their concealed state, after the vanish.

The same thing applies to card magic. Let's say, during a routine, I want to change the value of a card at the face of the deck. Both the FMOB and the EGO change will carry out that task but most of the time one will always be more beneficial than the other because these two changes affect the deck (the positions of cards) in different ways.

It is naive to suggest that, because two different moves accomplish the same goal, that somehow one of them becomes obselite. Car mechanics don't carry only one spanner thinking that it will tighten every bolt. They carry a selection of spanners because they know that they will definitely encounter a variety of different sized bolts.

Anyway, that's all I wanted to say. It's not aimed at you directly trashmanf - please don't be offended. I just see this type of 'why do this when you can just do that' type reasoning a lot and thought I'd make a point.

Peace!

Dave.