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Just a Coin Matrix

Postby k88 » Nov 3rd, '07, 22:21



I wanted to upload a video seeing as my new close up mat has come =D!

So here it is:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wKosKIu1no

Tell me what you think.

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Postby HenryHoudini » Nov 3rd, '07, 22:56

not great, the moves didn't seem to be too smooth, and it really looked like you were PICKING UP THE CARD! not just picking up the card, which it should look like. There was more but I cant think of it right now...

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Postby Jacko Spaids » Nov 6th, '07, 22:41

haha nice micky mouse cards :P

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Postby joecarr14 » Nov 6th, '07, 22:53

sorry what was the trick i was too busy enjoying the cards
... xD

bah humbug...
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Postby k88 » Nov 8th, '07, 00:50

I'll upload a better one soon!

I just wanted to play on my mat thats all =P

Those cards were bicycle too by the way :lol:

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Postby Soren Riis » Nov 8th, '07, 06:25

This was NOT good and in my mind completely gave away the method.
It was awful, but with a little help I think it can become awesome.

What surprises me why this is not clear to you. Why post it before it looks good?? Why is your right hand pressing down on the cards? Why do you hold the cards as if they were hiding something?? The point of using the right hand is supposed to help place the cards on the pad. In your version the role of your right hand is lost. Maybe the most clear mistake is the slight hesitation while each card it being placed on the pad. Clearly, something the happening there, and the slight hesitation combined with the right hand pressing down on the cards remove the magic. It looks fishy, and give away the method (which you can see from the comments from the public).

I suggest you try to practice a one-hand version or some other harder version first. When you master that, and you could return to the two handed version I am sure it would look much better. Anyway the key is that ALL unnatural hesitations and unnatural movements are removed.

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Postby TrueWizard » Nov 8th, '07, 09:41

Other then the lack of a "smooth perform" in the sense of "smooth handeling" you did very well

Tip: Slow it down alittle (Fast looks suspicious)

as far as the comment on giving it away, the matrix is not a complex trick its almost impossible to give it away, if the person cathes on it is merly do the simplicity of the matrix, when you have mastered this version there are tons of other versions and variations that can fool even some of best modern day magicians


in my mind completely gave away the method.


A Magician looking at a effect he already knows the solution to makes him see the effect as "broken" "Flawed" its common, but a leyperson didnt see a thing

So again, Over all, Good Job

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Postby Soren Riis » Nov 8th, '07, 19:28

TrueWizard wrote:Other then the lack of a "smooth perform" in the sense of "smooth handeling" you did very well


By what standard? Yes, a magician look at the effect differently from the lay person, but the magician also have the experience to have a reasonable judgment of how the public would perceive the effect.

In my view the trick was very purely performed (but I believe the performer
with a bit of extra practice could dramatically increase the performance).

It is not enough to hide the actual method, but also potential methods should be ruled out. Watching the performance I get the sense (disregarding my knowledge) that maybe there are some magnets glued to the back of the cards and the coins are magnetic! Or maybe, the magician is using two extra coins. Of course lay people might not think all this consciously, but they sense "some thing fishy is happening". The lay person will in my view somehow get the sense that its a trick! Maybe he will "see" the coins jumping around - good then it worked -, but to me the layperson might also just see it as a puzzle (how does he do it) rather than a piece of magic. But a little more practice and the effect will become much more magical.

You might think the slight hesitation is just a minor thing, but this sound like you never performed for real people. Believe me the difference in response is substantial.

I know this from my own experience. For a number of years I have had roughly the same basic repertoire. When I began doing these effects I performed them "almost" as well as today, but believe me the response I get now is very different as when I first tried these effects. Lots of the slights I do are very far from perfect (but I think not directly bad), but this often does not really matter for the layperson. It really depends on the effect.

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Postby TrueWizard » Nov 8th, '07, 20:12

but the magician also have the experience to have a reasonable judgment of how the public would perceive the effect.


Im not saying its not "flawed" and continuing to read my post more then suggests practice, But in the sence of "Attempting" he did very well.

and the effect will become much more magical


Agreed

You might think the slight hesitation is just a minor thing


As far as the hesitation goes, I never said it was a small detail, or isnt important in fixing, I merly said he did a good job.


as far as the fact that I say "You need practice, but over all good job" as oppossed to your "You need practice, and it stinks" doesnt mean i dont perform or havn't performed, Just means your alittle harsher on the details of a performance, Not to say im not, But flaw doesnt mean he didnt do good, just means he didnt do good well.

I do are very far from perfect (but I think not directly bad), but this often does not really matter for the layperson. It really depends on the effect.


Thats Pretty much what iv'e been saying

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Postby k88 » Nov 9th, '07, 02:20

Thanks for all your feedback.

I'll re do it after I've added the magic that is needed and the practice ^^

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Postby Soren Riis » Nov 9th, '07, 11:49

A few armature versions and professional versions of matrix! I know the versions use different methods and are not identical effects, however I am just looking at is from the level of overall magical impression (not the method).

Here is a really nice version. This kid is doing it really nice and without cards http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWRvb0Kc170
This is a real nice impromptu version!


Here is a nice (but a bit slow) version of matrix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY4-b0bBZBM

Compare this with

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-4VSn8p_aU
where the "magician" makes just about all possible mistakes. He believe he has improved matrix, while in fact the magician manage to destroy two effects. COMPLETELY HOPELESS! People are not going to pay this guy to entertain.

Your version - though I criticized it - is million times better than that.

In this clip, the magician is doing essentially your version of Matrix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sg__2yb82jU
This presentation works in my opinion OK, but is not as magical as the first version (without cards).

BUT PLEASE HAVE A LOOK AT THIS: This is a REAL magical version that in my view is better than any of the other versions. The last bit looks even better in reality than on camera, since one can not misdirect on camera. If one should do matrix - this is how!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECszn_Re77I

It is very interesting to read the comments by the public. The best proof that the last version is the best, is that lay-people believe this is a camera trick! No one suggested this for any of the other versions.

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Postby TrueWizard » Nov 9th, '07, 15:36

Something, Or many things we agree on, the performances above are exactly as you said they were, Ultimate Matrix is a great matrix effect,

And the on kid who "made the matrix effect better" i Agree, it was a horrible Perofrmance, I dont want to say a Variation of the painters effect wouldnt necc. be good with a coin matrix effect, but he didnt mesh it well at all

Now this is a horrible card performance.....

Horrible Ambisions

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7309247456763571441&q=Riffle+cards+short+card&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

The Very Visble Pass
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7309247456763571441&q=Riffle+cards+short+card&total=14&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

How not to do awesome Magic tricks
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5069441168439356225&q=Awesome+Magic+Trick&total=2230&start=10&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=4

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