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Why do we always do things the most complicated way?

Postby Lady of Mystery » Dec 14th, '07, 13:17



I've got a little routine that starts off with a card trick and then goes into a couple of coin productions. I need the coins handy so I hold two of them in the palm while doing the card trick. It's quite fiddly and took a while to do without dropping them but I managed it.

But now I've just had a thought, why not just sleeve the coins? So much simpler!!!!

Ahhhhh why didn't I think of that before instead of trying to do card tricks with two coins in the palm.

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Postby Peter Marucci » Dec 14th, '07, 13:40

Most tend to do things in the most complicated way because they are simply too lazy to think of an easier way.

You, obviously, have found another way.

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Re: Why do we always do things the most complicated way?

Postby Tomo » Dec 14th, '07, 13:43

Lady of Mystery wrote:I've got a little routine that starts off with a card trick and then goes into a couple of coin productions. I need the coins handy so I hold two of them in the palm while doing the card trick. It's quite fiddly and took a while to do without dropping them but I managed it.

But now I've just had a thought, why not just sleeve the coins? So much simpler!!!!

Ahhhhh why didn't I think of that before instead of trying to do card tricks with two coins in the palm.


Was it Pascal who once wrote on the bottom of a letter that he apologised for the length but he hadn't had time to make it shorter? :D

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Re: Why do we always do things the most complicated way?

Postby FRK » Dec 14th, '07, 13:53

Tomo wrote:
Lady of Mystery wrote:I've got a little routine that starts off with a card trick and then goes into a couple of coin productions. I need the coins handy so I hold two of them in the palm while doing the card trick. It's quite fiddly and took a while to do without dropping them but I managed it.

But now I've just had a thought, why not just sleeve the coins? So much simpler!!!!

Ahhhhh why didn't I think of that before instead of trying to do card tricks with two coins in the palm.


Was it Pascal who once wrote on the bottom of a letter that he apologised for the length but he hadn't had time to make it shorter? :D



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Postby Peter Marucci » Dec 14th, '07, 13:59

Actually, it's generally attributed to Oscar Wilde.

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Postby joecarr14 » Dec 14th, '07, 17:08

haahha im the same.. :D

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Postby Tomo » Dec 14th, '07, 17:27

Peter Marucci wrote:Actually, it's generally attributed to Oscar Wilde.

And Mark Twain, it turns out. Wondering which was right (and mindful that I've got to write nearly 100 quiz questions for the local league), I've looked it up now (should have done so originally). It's actually from a letter Balise Pascal wrote on December 4th, 1656 to the Reverend Fathers of the Jesuits, telling them what's what:
    "The present letter is a very long one, simply because I had no leisure to make it shorter."


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Postby bronz » Dec 14th, '07, 18:31

I know what you mean Lommy, I have a ring routine that requires a coin being introduced halfway through and for quite some time I persisted with a convoluted concealment procedure with all sorts of tenkai nonsense and switching between hands as I manipulated my ring. Then I realised that it was infinitely better to have the coin under my belt and slip it out at an opportune moment. Sometime you can't see the wood for the trees eh?

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Postby VoodooMick » Dec 14th, '07, 19:09

This business of using the more complex methods to achieve something is rather annoying as it makes Occam's Razor totally redundant. Which I think is quite selfish of you! :wink:

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Postby Serendipity » Dec 14th, '07, 19:13

In all seriousness, when working out a new routine or adding something to an old one, it's worth stopping from time to time, taking a step back, and sort of mentally disassembling everything to see if it couldn't go back together much easier.

That sounded clearer in my head.

I guess it just helps to break a routine down to "what needs to be where, when do I need it and how do I get it?". Oh, and I can't remember who said it, but never waste a trip to your pockets.

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Postby bronz » Dec 14th, '07, 20:08

Which is partly why Sankey stuff is so good, he cuts out all the unnecessary trickiness and focuses on the effect rather than the method.

By the way Mick, congratulations for very quickly spotting my little bit of innuendo bingo. I like to amuse myself by slipping those snippets in from time to time and seeing how long it is before they're spotted!

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Postby VoodooMick » Dec 14th, '07, 20:15

bronz wrote:By the way Mick, congratulations for very quickly spotting my little bit of innuendo bingo. I like to amuse myself by slipping those snippets in from time to time and seeing how long it is before they're spotted!


Oh you mean you INTENDED it? And I wasn't that clever after all I was just being lead down a garden path? (or should that be "lead down a back passage"?)
Oh thanks very much I thought I was being really clever!
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Postby bronz » Dec 14th, '07, 20:31

Oh yes, I certainly took you up the wrong one there. Chuckle.

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