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Can someone please help me with this sleight.Its under the name illusive vanish in bobos book,but i simply cannot get it smooth at all,I'm not entirely sure what im doing wrong but when i do the sleight it doesnt feel right for some reason.

It constantly feels like its prone to flashing and makes me very self-consciuos about it for that reason.When im practising it also feels like its very angle sensitive for some reason.

Any tips would be great

don't do anything till your fingers cover the movement then check yourself in front of the mirror, (yep that ones going into the inuendo thread), so you can see that you bring your closed hand infront of your dirty hand, the first finger of which taps the base of the hand giving you ample time and misdrection to do your classic.
a cople of waves over the hand ala spider vanish helps seal the deal.

also remeber your looking at your closed hand, so thats were they will look, belive me iv'e been able to pocket the coin and get something else rady for a reaperence all in the same move.

visualise it, realise it, make it happen.

thanks for the reply.

My problem seems to be that it looks perfect in front of the mirror but when im looking at myself doing it (witout the mirro) it feels like im flashing.I dont know,i think it might just be in my head but it just seems to be in a strange position between your finger and thumb?

youv'e hit the proverbial brick wall all magicians need to get over, what you know and see what is happening and what everyone else is seeing.
the retension vanish is very good on angles and combined with a ditch is one of the best vanishes around.

I have a couple of little hints that help me make the move look and feel more natural:

Assuming you start with the item held between the right thumb and index finger, the rest of the hand natually at rest with curled fingers:

1) When you close your left hand, keep all your fingers together and straight, moving them as one from the base. Aim to lightly squeeze your little finger against the first knuckle of the right middle finger. Notice that the finger will naturally straighten, yet the motion is completely driven by the movement of the left hand so there's no suspicious movement from the front. You'll also find you can time youself perfectly by touch leading to the second point.

2) Don't stare at your hands, instead use your gaze to lead your hands to what they're doing next e.g. look at item on table (right hand moves to take it), look at left hand turning over empty (right hand moves item to left hand), look up at the spectator (raise left hand into view, right hand relaxes and falls to the side).

I tend to pull my left hand away and up to eye level first, then slightly adjust my hand by placing my left thumb ontop of my fingers curling it into more of a fist as let my right hand drop. I can then put my right hand to use picking something up or fetching something else.

That's probably too much detail - but I hope it helps!

Practise in front of a mirror and even better a video camera.

I get a similar thing to you sometimes I learn a new move. I spend ages and ages trying to make it look totally invisible when to be honest it already is.

If you think it looks ok in front of a mirror then put it to the ultimate test and get out there and perform it for someone. You've got to remember that you know what you're looking for, you know what you're going to do, the spec doesn't know this. As far as they're concerned, you're just putting a coin in the other hand, they don't know what's going to happen to it there so they shouldn't really be looking for too much.

Here is the way I teach the move and it works I don't know how well this will come across in this format. And without giving anything away.

First you have to trust your Brain as it really knows what your fingers have to do if you try the following.

Practice with a sponge ball it will make it a little easier for learning purposes.

Stick a magic wand or a pen under your left arm, (trust me). The left hand will be the 'recieving hand' palm is facing the audience finger tips pointing to the left. Right hand holds the sponge ball, (or coin) at its fingertips exposing as much of the object as possible. Do the deed. Place the object in your left hand as the left hand fingers close around the object your right hand reaches for the wand (pen) or whatever is stuffed under your arm. Your brain knows exactly what your fingers must do to grasp the wand and well you know, (I hope)

The first couple of times actually put the coin in the left hand and go for the wand. That way you will know what it feels like. Then do the exact same thing only...you know make the thing vanish.

Remember speed kills. You want really smooth. Also the more the object to be vanished is visible the greater the effect is going to be. Be confident!

I really don't use it much anymore I perform the Goshman thing where you toss the coin from the right hand to the left. Sorry I don't know where to find it explained I learned if from Goshman himself. I don't even really know if the move is his perhaps others here will know.

You may also want to take the next step from bob, david roth is where to go...learn as much handling as you can and then the next step will arise : concentrate on the "burn" of the coin...You manipulate light at this point !!

I think the ROV vanish can be used in two ways :
- as it looks, i.e just taking the coin in the other hand,with all that is implied behind this simple gesture,
or
- as a way to manipulate the presence of the coin, with all focus toward the sleight...

I equally love both...

Have fun !

I'm practicing it more and more but i dont put it into classic palm

I do the move then curl my fingers and remove them from the left hand and they are still curled and fairly natural looking....Then with a wave i thumb palm it...this method seems to work better for me as euro coins in all sizes are quite small and hard to classic palm...would this be approved

Flood wrote:...would this be approved

No reason to go into a classic palm. Go with what works for you.

You ask a very interesting question {see above}. The only approval that means anything in the entertainment business (performance wise) is the approval of the audience. What difference does another magicians approval make if your audience is entertained and your employer is happy with your work enough to hire you again and again. What I love about magic and method is there are really no rules as long as you respect other magicians, the art and yourself go with what works.

I have a bit of advice that I heard from Gregory Wilson,
don't do the retention coin vanish, those weren't his exact words,
but you get the general idea. I have nothing against the retention vanish,
I think it's really good, but it's not however natural to put a coin in your hand in that manner.
There are 2 things you can do:

Make your fake put look the same as your real put
or
Make your real put look the same as your fake put

(if that makes any sense at all)
At the end of the day it's your choice which sleights to do

The Magic Herring wrote:I have a bit of advice that I heard from Gregory Wilson,
don't do the retention coin vanish, those weren't his exact words,
but you get the general idea. I have nothing against the retention vanish,
I think it's really good, but it's not however natural to put a coin in your hand in that manner.
There are 2 things you can do:

Make your fake put look the same as your real put
or
Make your real put look the same as your fake put

(if that makes any sense at all)
At the end of the day it's your choice which sleights to do

It may not be natural but it works. It is not natural to pick up a coin with one hand only to put it into another. Heck its not natural to vanish a coin in the first place. Done correctly the audience is so into the effect by the time the vanish is revealed the spectator doesn't remember how you put the coin into the hand. The French Drop is so far from natural yet...

Most of magic is not natural. But I do understand the point. I usually use the Goshman toss or whatever it is where you toss the coin from one hand to the other. But that is just because I like it not because one is more natural then the other. Although thinking about it, it is more natural to just non chalantly 'toss' the coin from one hand to the other.

It is also not natural to fan the cards, or ribbon spread them on the table or let them cascade from hand to hand. Or for that matter even pick a card why not just think of a card? It is up to the performer to create the naturalness of a situation.

Hope that makes sense. I'm moody and tired today.